Re: Violence against women

["Rebecca Peoples" <wellsfargo@xxxxxxxx>]

Bill:
You make three slightly several different claims here, none of which
is persuasive.  If sexist violence perpetrated by males against
females "has its source in the nature of capitalist society", we
should not expect to see it prior to the advent of capitalist
relations.

Rebecca:
Of course you could. The last two world wars have their source in
capitalism. Because wars existed prior to capitalism does not mean that wars
dont have their source in capitalism. However that does not mean that all
wars that ever existed have had their source in capitalism. Just as all male
violence against women has not had it source in capitalism (male violence
under feudalism etc). I am talking about make violence agasint women that is
going on now in capitalist society. I am talking a real ongoing problem. I
am talking about something that can be eliminated now. I am not talking
about violence that has taken place in some society that preceeded
capitalism. THis pastr canot be changed.

Bill:
  This, plainly not the case, leaves this assertion empty.
It also is logically flawed---there is no logical connection between
capitalist relations and sexist relations, other than they are both
unjustified relations of unequal power, hence both intolerable.  The
two can survive independently quite well, though at any particular
time the two can be found together in cozy company, feeding off one
another.  In order for capitalism to survive, it requires only, by
definition, that capitalist relations survive.

Rebecca: The above asertions make little sense. The absurd upshot of this is
that current relations, practices, institutions are not necessarily
capitalist. Then if this is the case there is no capitalist society in any
substnative sense of the word. Instead there is a capitalist society that
exists alongside of a multitude of other societies or soccial phenomena that
only exist in in an external relation to each other. Consequently their
existence side by side is one of chance. Contingency is the prevalent form t
hen. There is no systemic links between the varied social pehnomena.

Rebecca