[PEN-L:11466] Re: Gender and Hierarchy (was: Male Chauv

[MScoleman@xxxxxxx]

In a message dated 97-07-23 20:31:06 EDT, you write:
Maggie
>>
>> p.s.  Using statistics descriptively for a moment: Caucasian women with
>> college diplomas earn less, on average, than African American men with
high
>> school diplomas.
>
>Response (Jim C)

These statistics are part of the decennial census stats--I believe they can
also be found in the folbre book
>The above-mentioned "statistic" (sources?) if accurate, contains
>some potential built-in artifacts.
The census does not break down the info this way
>College diplomas in what?

The stats are for those who are employed.  HOWEVER, women of all races are
the majority of part time workers in the USA
>What
>percentage of those women are working--part-time and full-time--and
>what percentage of those "African-American men" are working part-time
>and full-time.

No kidding.  So what are you saying, women as a group have it better off than
African American men.  Or are men of color worse off than women?  Or are you
simply insulted by the concept that women would think themselves badly off?l
> Also oppression is about much more than level of
>income or differential levels of income. Compare for example, what
>percentage of Caucasian women with College Degrees are subjected to
>random police searches or "accidental shooting by police" as they are
>driving versus African American Males with High School Diplomas.

O.K., so getting raped is better than random searches--you certainly have
interesting priorities.
>
>Non serious person could ever question the existence or seriousness
>of various forms and levels of oppression that women face. No
>question, typically poor women face additional forms of oppression
>relative to and even by poor men;

Aha, so as long as women are at the bottom of the heap, you feel perfectly
comfortable.

maggie coleman mscoleman@xxxxxxx