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[PEN-L:11425] Re: Class and Oppression
- Subject: [PEN-L:11425] Re: Class and Oppression
- From: "William S. Lear" <rael@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, July 23, 1997 at 18:26:51 (-0700) James Michael Craven writes:
>[...]
>a) Gay White Male Investment Banker vs "Straight" White Male
>Sharecropper
>b) White Female Investment Banker vs Poor White Male Sharecropper
>c) African American Male Investment Banker vs Poor White Male
>Sharecropper
>d) etc etc.
>
>Noting of course that various forms of discrimination operate to
>exclude or make rare, people from certain groups being found in some
>of the above-mentioned categories (e.g. few women investment bankers
>etc) and noting that within class (e.g. poor white women vs poor
>white males etc) should also be examined, I think that typically,
>class is still the fundamental basis of and determinant of degree of
>overall oppression. Of course ranking victims and degree of victimhood
>can be an unconscionable exercise that can serve to obfuscate forms
>and levels of oppression in particular and in general.
There is something missing in this, I believe. It is not a ranking or
ordering of "levels of oppression" that we should be looking for. We
live in a capitalist society, we live in a sexist society, we live in
a racist society. Capitalism is, as is sexism, simply an obscenity.
Marx brilliantly exposed this in his "Pre-Capitalist Economic
Formations" of the _Grundrisse_. The other "isms" are *also*
fundamentally unjust and prejudiced relationships, which are
*orthogonal* to the capitalist relationship (which is not to say that
capitalists can't exploit racial divisions, etc.). I don't think it
makes much sense to say that "class is the fundamental basis of and
determinant of degree of overall oppression". Nor do I see much point
in ranking these things. We should oppose sexism, because it is a
perversion of a just and equitable relationship between the sexes. We
should oppose racism because it too is a perversion of just and
equitable racial relations. Capitalism should be opposed, on entirely
separate (though similar) moral grounds, neither more nor less,
because it is a perversion of the just and equitable relationship
between labor and productive property.
Bill
- Thread context:
- [PEN-L:11429] ReTemporary Removal From List,
A. S. Fatemi Thu 24 Jul 1997, 13:53 GMT
- [PEN-L:11428] Re: Class and Oppression,
James Michael Craven Thu 24 Jul 1997, 04:55 GMT
- [PEN-L:11427] Re: Objections to Social Security ...,
Michael Eisenscher Thu 24 Jul 1997, 04:33 GMT
- [PEN-L:11426] text of July 22 Teamster UPS bulletin,
Michael Eisenscher Thu 24 Jul 1997, 04:32 GMT
- [PEN-L:11425] Re: Class and Oppression,
William S. Lear Thu 24 Jul 1997, 04:12 GMT
- [PEN-L:11424] James Q. Wilson on the automobile in _Commentary_,
William S. Lear Thu 24 Jul 1997, 03:52 GMT
- [PEN-L:11423] Re: deduction vs. induction,
HANLY Thu 24 Jul 1997, 03:07 GMT
- [PEN-L:11422] Sankei Shimbun, Plot-Breeding Newspaper,
Shawgi A. Tell Thu 24 Jul 1997, 01:46 GMT
- [PEN-L:11421] Class and Oppression,
James Michael Craven Thu 24 Jul 1997, 01:27 GMT
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