[PEN-L:11167] Re: censorship

["Karl Carlile" <joseph@xxxxxxxxx>]

KARL CARLILE: James Divine states and I quote: "Even though I prefer
collective shunning as a way to deal with obnoxious characters who
invade pen-l". Calling me  "obnoxious"constitutes a personal abusive
attack on me and in way contitutes a criticsim of my politics.

The fact that I am expelled form the mailing list while this person
can freely engage in this kind of abusive slander says a lot about
pen-l and the moderator, Michale Perlamn responsible for expelling
me.

7 Jul 97 at 9:18, James Devine wrote:

Even though I prefer collective shunning as a way to deal with
obnoxious characters who invade pen-l, I do not consider Michael
Perelman's expulsion of Karl Carlisle from pen-l to be "censorship."
It's Michael's living room and we're having (or trying to have) a
serious intellectual discussion from a left-wing political
perspective. Michael can kick out those who drool on his rug, put LSD
in his punch, or start hitting his guests (you get the metaphor). It
would be more like censorship if the person kicked out were polite but
expressed deviant positions. But Karl does not fit that description.

In any event, there are a lot of other discussion groups where Karl
can express his gods-given right to free speech. Maybe eventually
he'll learn how to be polite rather than deliberately provoking flame
wars. Maybe eventually he'll get a life, so he won't have to be so
deliberately provocative. Maybe he could set up his own web page so
that people who are interested in his views can find out what they
are.

I hope that the folks who yell "censorship" also consider the daily
newspaper or the other news outlets to be engaged in censorship. Every
day, the editor of the L.A. TIMES (for example) decides that some
stories and many letters to the editor shouldn't be published, often
for the most corrupt reasons.

"Jimmy"





in pen-l solidarity,

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                          Yours etc.,
                                     Karl