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Re: [OPE] Inside OPEâs minds.

Dear Alejandro,
we discussed these issues once earlier. I do not have anything to add. I think the problem you and people like you have to face is the question how changes in history take place. Forget about barbarian Bolshewiks, forget about Hitler like Stalin, forget about Rosa and Zetkin who were trying to change the world revolutionary. To see how changes take olace in history please consult the French Revolution which costed so many human lifes but nontheless brought about those freedoms we enjoy and we never would sacrify them: such as freedom of _expression_, for example.
Kind regards,
Dogan

I replied to Jerry under the label âVenezuela and Human Rights Watchâ.

I would like to see how Yaffe and Dogan face my argument besides to cheer on Jerryâ

Regards,

A. Agafonow

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Enviado: miÃrcoles, 24 de septiembre, 2008 13:47:28
Asunto: Re: [OPE] Inside OPEâs minds.

WELL SAID, JERRY!!!!!!!
Dogan

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy <jerry_ levy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:41
Subject: Re: [OPE] Inside OPEâs minds.

> This test revels that you have either to revise your position toward left-wing dictatorships and

> left authoritarian leaders, or that there is some confusion in your standard of values.

Hi Alejandro:

Yes, it is a sure sign of a "left-wing dictatorship" that workers' control is spreading

throughout industry and that Chavez is President _now_ after the masses spontaneously

took to the streets in 2002 and refused to let the junta stand. Land reform in Bolivia and

Venezuela are also20sure signs of dictatorship - all of these changes are just _so_ unfair

to wealthy landowners, (domestic and international) capitalists, transnational corporations,

friendly governments (like the US), benign international lending agencies (like the

World Bank) and cronies of the old regime. Shame, shame on Chavez! Is it my

standard of values which need to be revised or yours? Do you favor workers'

control, nationalization, and land reform?

There _may_ have been some violations of democratic rights towards the

(right-wing, neo-fascist) opposition in Venezuela, but to blame that on

the "dictatorship" of Chavez shows that one does not comprehend the

characteristics and complexity of the Bolivarian movement - a movement

which has many different perspectives and political tendencies. Chavez

"controls" that movement rather loosely - like a shepherd of cats.

In solidarity, Jerry

PS: I feel your pain towards Castro and Cuba. Just think of how much

less suffering there would have been there had Cuba just agreed to

maintain its neo-colonial relationship with the US! How awful of them

to demand self-determination and true independence. Bad, bad Castro!

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