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Re: [OPE-L] Suspension of Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxx



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COMMENT:

Whether Xxxxxx did or did not initiate this exchange is besides the point.
 He violated list policy and must be held accountable for his actions.
The policies which Xxxxxx has been suspended for were all agreed to by
consensus by the AC and muyself.  In addition, he himself agreed to adhere
to the January agreement.  These policies were re-discussed recently and
re-affirmed by the AC.

It is unfortunate indeed that any comrade is involuntarily suspended from
membership.  At least one listmember recently took exception to the list
policy.  If others on the list believe that the treatment of Xxxxxx is
unfair and/or unwarranted then -- as I said the other day -- we can have
an open, frank, full,  public, democratic discussion of Xxxxxx's status
in which everyone on the list can participate followed by a vote.

*After* there is agreement on what to do about Xxxxxx, then should others
wish to do so, we can have an open, frank, full, public discussion on the
actions of the list coordinator and/or other list administrators followed
by a vote of confidence or no confidence.  Should we decide to have such
on-list discussions followed by a vote, then we would have to figure out
how to organize the voting process as we have not had a full vote of the
membership on any question previously. I think, though, that the technical
details could be worked out and we could - should we wish - have these
votes.

I apologize to all of you who would rather read and discuss about theory
and politics than procedure.  However, I believe I have acted properly, in
accordance with agreed upon list policies, and defended the list.

In solidarity, Jerry




I.  Chronology of  Recent Events
     =====================
 
A. Although there was a long pre-history for this dispute,
 Ajit Sinha 's message of November 12 
 http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0095.html
 initiated the most recent controversy.  Ajit accused Xxxxxx
in that message of violating the January 24 Advisory
Committee statement (hereafter call "the agreement") - Section
# 2 of http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0701/0080.html
 
 
B. Upon reading Ajit's message, I immediately instructed everyone
that the discussion on this matter would proceed *OFF-LIST*:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0096.html
 
We had already determined in an Advisory Committee (AC)
"Statement on Flames" that in the future all complaints
concerning alleged flames (or, by inference, charges of violations
of the January agreement) must be made *OFF-LIST*: see 4.b) of
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0707/0099.html
 
C. *AFTER* B.) Xxxxxx sent *two* on-list replies to Ajit's message:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0097.html
and http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0098.html
 
The second message violated two policies: 1) it alle! ged *ON-LIST* that
another member had written a flame; and 2) it qu oted Ajit
("your stupid editorializing") and hence was a violation of the January
24  agreement. It was all the more outrageous a violation because he
had _just_ been instructed that discussions on that issue were to
take place *OFF-LIST*.
 
D. I replied immediately to Xxxxxx:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0099.html
insisting that he not again discuss the matter on-list.
 
E. Almost immediately afterwards, Xxxxxx used that same
_expression_ - "editorializing" ("oh just some editorializing").
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0107.html
Everyone on the list  by this time knew that was a reference to
what Ajit had written earlier that day.
 
F. I *once again* instructed Xxxxxx not t! o continue to quote Ajit
on-list:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0110.html
He was told in no uncertain terms to "*STOP IT, NOW!*".
 
G  Almost immediately afterwards, Xxxxxx once again referred to
"editorializing" in *two* separate messages in reply to Ian H:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0113.html
and http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0114.html
 
Anyone who had read the sequence of posts that day was aware
that the reference to "editorializing" was a reference to what
Ajit had written.
 
H. In reply to these events - and what he perceived as the
unwillingness of the li! st administrators to act against Xxxxxx,
Ajit resigned:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0711/0125.html
 
Ajit remarked - among other things - that there was a had "blatently
thumming of nose" by Xxxxxx at the list coordinator and that he
had repeatedly violated the January agreement.
 
 
II.  The above - beyond a shadow of a doubt - establishes that
Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxx:
 
A. Violated list policy by alledging on-list that he been flamed;
 
B.  Violated the directive to discuss Ajit's complaint off-list
rather than on-list.
 
C.  *Repeatedly* violated the January 24 agreement by referring to
what Ajit had written.
 
The January agreement specifically says that there are to be
"NO EXCEPTIONS" and that any violations of the agreement by
Xxxxxx would result in a suspension for a "substantial period" of
time.
 
Given the above, there is NO ALTERNATIVE allowable under list
policy other than to suspend Xxxxxx for a substantial period of
time.  Accordingly, Xxxxxx has been suspended for a substantial
period of time -- the amount of which will be decided shortly.
 
D. COM! MENT
 
Whether Xxxxxx did or did n ot initiate this exchange is besides the
point.  He violated list policy and must be accountable for his
actions.  The policies which Xxxxxx has been suspended for were
all agreed to by consensus by the AC and muyself.  In addition,
he himself agreed to adhere to the January agreement.  These
policies were re-discussed recently and re-affirmed by the AC.
 
It is unfornate indeed that any comrade is involuntarily suspended
from membership.  At least one listmember recently took exception
to the list policy.  If others on the list believe that the treatment
of Xxxxxx is unfair and/or unwarranted then -- as I said the other
day -- we can have an open, frank, full,  public, democratic discussion
of Xxxxxx's status in which everyone on the list can participate followed
by a vote.  
 
*After* there is agreement on what to do about! Xxxxxx, then should
others wish to do so, we can have an open, fra nk, full, public
discussion on the actions of the list coordinator and/or other list
administrators followed by a vote of confidence or no confidence.
 
 
Should we decided to have such on-list discussions followed by a vote,
then we would have to figure out how to organize the voting process
as we have not had a full vote of the membership on any question
previously. I think, though, that the technical details could be worked
out and we could - should we wish - have these votes.
 
 
In solidarity, Jerry
  




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