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Hi, Suppose we observe facts and see that, period after
period, even if the mass of inputs and outputs are changing continuously,
production amounts to a certain quantity of money, x, and requires a certain
quantity of direct labour, y. Then I say that z = x/y is the monetary _expression_
of labour (or the productivity in money of social labour), no matter whether the
magnitude of z is changing or not. This allows me to refer to values in money
terms, as Marx did, although I am fully aware that values are certain quantities
of (direct plus indirect) labour. (Others may have another theory?different from the LTV
indeed?and relate the quantities of money to the quantity of whatever commodity
they want. They could obtain the _monetary _expression_ of corn_ for example. They
are free to do so, but I would reply that when I go to the movies or the doctor
or to cut my hair, etc., or in general observe other production processes I can
see corn nowhere, whereas I see labour everywhere when I look at a production
process. This is why I consider the LTV a more realistic theory than
theirs) Value
relations, as a certain form of social labour relations, are completely real
facts. Facts that happen in societies and make primarily sense at the social
level. But theoreticians may be interested in quantifying specific aspects of
the consequences of those facts. That?s why some of us want to theorize
quantitative ideal quantities of value that represent definite fractions of
total social labour. We are legitimized to _define_ those fractions in different
ways in order to better capture different dimensions of
reality. Now, the
main point in my paper (http://www.countdownnet.info/archivio/teoria/521.doc) is that although values are a definite magnitude at the
macroeconomic level, they can be quantified in a triple way at the microeconomic
level. In the three cases, the cost of a given commodity (an average specimen of
its class) is the same: m·(A+B), where m are market values in the sense
explained below, and A and B the coefficients for both material and
_worker-subsistence_ inputs. But the surplus-labour included in the commodity?s
value can be understood and quantified in a triple, equally analytically useful,
way. 1.
When we think of surplus-value as proportional to the new value included in
value, we obtain _direct value_. We do so because we are interested in dealing
here with the process of creation of values as well as with the process of
exploitation of workers by capital. 2.
When we assume that surplus-value is proportional to the magnitude of value that
capitalists have to advance in production, we obtain _production value_. We do
so because we are interested in the _abstract_ process of competition, i.e.
competition in a context where only capitalists in the productive sector
exist. 3.
When we assume that surplus-value is NOT proportional to the magnitude of value
that capitalists have to advance in production, but rather an adjusted
surplus-value (i.e., surplus-value once deducted from it the sum of interest,
commercial margin, ground-rent and taxes) is proportional to adjusted costs
(where the value-equivalent of interests, commercial margin, ground-rent and
taxes is added to the value of material-and-subsistence inputs), then we have
the _long-run market value_. In this case we are interested in the process of
competition in more concrete terms, where along with productive capitalists
there also exist commercial and financial capitalists, the landowners and the
state. In
case 1, surplus-value included in a (vector of) commodity is m·B·g (where g is
the rate of surplus-value). In case 2, surplus-value is m·(A+B)·r (where r is
the general rate of profit). In case 3, surplus-value is m·(A+B)·R, where R is
the diagonal matrix of actual long-run rates of profits of each
sector. Now,
call sw, sp and sm the surplus-value calculated according to the three cases.
The labour theory of value states that:
I
hope to have clarified my view a little. What
do you think? Cheers, Diego |
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