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Would you reject the idea of attempting to make inroads (especially the ?despotic inroads? referred to in the Communist Manifesto) because ?the state (any state) must do everything it can to provide conditions that favour the profitability of capital? [your attachment]?
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Indeed, once established, it might face violent attempts by capital to reverse the process:
the catastrophes it might still have to undergo would be sporadic slaveholders? insurrections, which, while for a moment interrupting the work of peaceful progress, would only accelerate the movement, by putting the sword into the hand of the Social Revolution (Marx, 1871a: 156-7).
Thus, the workers? state would be an essential part of the process of revolutionary practice, the process whereby workers change themselves in the course of struggles and ?become fitted to found society anew?. Yet, as Marx and Engels learned from the actions of workers in the Paris Commune, this process required a special kind of state. ?The working class,? Marx (1871b: 68) commented, ?cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes.? Although Marx and Engels argued in their 1872 Preface to the Manifesto that its ?general principles were, on the whole, as correct today as ever,? the Commune had ?proved? something not in the programme--- the need for a new kind of state for workers (Marx and Engels, 1971: 270). The Commune was ?the political form at last discovered under which to work out the economical emancipation of Labour? (Marx, 1871b: 75). At last discovered!
- [OPE-L] further response to John Holloway, (continued)
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