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Hi Rakesh, Maybe we have in mind rather different things. I have in mind developed capitalism -- where there is, for example, real subsumption of the labour process -- rather than the processes involved in capital coming to dominate production, i.e. coming to be developed (processes that of course continue to this day, as capital continues to expand and develop across the globe). These processes of development may be those foremost in your mind? These processes of development are very revealing about developed capitalism, e.g. the history of the enclosures is one of direct coercion and ongoing resistance. I would argue that (developed) capitalism is to be initially characterised by the prevalence and dominance of capital, M-C-M' with M'>M. The increment M'-M = dM here occurs through, inter alia, free exchange. Buying a slave is not a free exchange so cannot explain dM. If slavery were predominant then it would be slave owners, not capital, that would drive production. Buying labour power explains dM. With this comes the whole ideology of freedom for all, characteristic of capitalism, based on the double freedom of labour. Re. 'sharp distinction': this concerns the status of the labourer and of labour in slavery and capitalism - the different forms taken by exploitation in different modes of production. It does not concern the comparison of slave labour and free labour within one single mode of production (e.g. capitalist). In both modes, of course, both slave and free labourer generally get a hiding at the point of production. Re. 'fluidity and creativity of labour': within slave-based society there are a fixed range of tasks to be done by 'talking animals' and animals, with land, tools etc. To the extent that slave owners get their way, fluidity or creativity of labour does not extend beyond these tasks. I continue to be embarrassed about my lack of historical knowledge on this stuff... Many thanks, Andy
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