Re: (OPE-L) Ernesto's "Damned Lies" ?

[Rakesh Bhandari <rakeshb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Title: Re: (OPE-L) Ernesto's "Damned Lies" ?

> I think the question of how we argue with
> one another, how we construct our discourse, is
> legitimate.

Fine, Gary, then why aren't we also bothered with charges of scholastic forcings and killing hope? It would seem to me that Ernesto Screpanti raised the level of rhetoric before Kliman. Yet neither you nor Levy even acknowledge that.

And why are we considering how Kliman constructs his discourse when i. he is not on this list and ii. we cannot know how he has actually constructed  his discourse as we have not read the paper. All we can do is jump to conclusions. By "discussing" the title to Kliman's paper, we are not discussing a "discourse." The discussion could have been left with Phil Dunn's reply to Levy, but Levy then went on to level accusations against Kliman without having read either Kliman's paper or Scepanti's. This is absurd. In fact there is something  unhinged about this whole thing.

 

>  My understanding of Gerry's
> original post on the topic was that he was curious about the context
> of AK's piece, what had motivated it etc.
>

And when Phil Dunn apprised him of the non rational elements in Ernesto's criticism of TSS, Levy could condemn only Kliman. The discussion should have been either never raised or dropped after Phil's reply simply because there was then and is not now enough substance to continue the discussion

> The point about the title was a
> legitimate collateral issue.  But of course Rakesh is right that
> it would be desirable to discuss the content of AK's paper when that
> becomes available.

And it was not desirable that you apprise us (and the larger academic world) of a paper, confidentially submitted, that may not be published. It seems that you have learned little from the RRPE affair.

Given the one sided concern about Kliman's "discourse" and your recent indiscretion, I should say that the TSS critics are not coming across well. But that is just my opinion of course.

Rakesh