Re: (OPE-L) RE: logical order and historical order

[Andrew Brown <Andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jerry and Howard,

A small point: the word 'logic' here could usefully be unpacked.

Howard's realist standpoint sometimes seems to marginalise the role of 'logic' since
logic is human-made, independent of the object, for a realist. It is *formal* logic.

Hegel-inspired systematic dialectics in one way or another tends to suggest an
identity or isomoprhism of thought and being, hence necessary relation between
logic and object. This is captured in *dialectical* logic. Marx himself obviously
thought Hegel himself positied an *idealist* identity. I would make the same criticism
of Hegel-inspired systematic dialecticians, despite their detailed rebuttals of such a
view.

Materialst dialectics sponsers a *dialectical* logic grasped in a materialst way: logic
reflects matter (a view itself obviously in need of unpacking)  It thus takes the best
of both the realist and Hegelian views.

Alas no time to defend these assertions.

Many thanks,

Andy