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(was "Unproductive Labour") Hi Phil. > OK. We have got two different notions of equivalance, hard and soft. > The hard version says that whenever a product is sold, the seller gets an > equivalent amount of money. The soft version says that the seller does > not get an equivalent amount of money, or only does so by chance. Is > money really an equivalent in the soft version? Is it a reasonable use of the term? An unequal equivalent? The equality on the aggregate level is: the sum of value = the sum of prices of production. The subject of prices of production is introduced in Volume Three of _Capital_. ------------------------------------ Once one allows for deviations of price from value then commodities don't necessarily -- except in the aggregate -- sell at their value. You ask, in regard to the "soft version", does the seller gets "an equivalent amount of money"? I assume this to mean: does the seller receives an amount of money equal to the value of the commodity being sold? And, if not, is money still a universal equivalent? Let's take a simple example. The following example is hypothetical but millions of similar examples happen everyday in contemporary capitalism. Suppose next time you come to New York City (perhaps for an IWGVT mini-conference) we meet and decide to go for a walk. A couple of blocks away from the Hyatt Regency Hotel, we pass by a Duane Reade pharmacy. In the window of the pharmacy there is an advertisement that a 2 liter container of Coca-Cola is for sale for $1.29. As we proceed, we pass by a Gristedes supermarket and notice that a 2 liter Coke is being sold for $1.69. A couple of blocks further we pass by a CVS pharmacy where a 2-liter coke is being sold for $0.79. In all three cases, there are not "minimum purchase" requirements or limits on the quantities sold/customer. Are all 3 potential exchanges the "exchange of equivalents"? Clearly, paying $1.69 for a commodity is not equivalent for the buyer to paying $0.79 for exactly the same commodity. Also, it matters quite a bit to the seller what the price is because there is a different rate of return per unit depending on the price charged. In this instance, how do we even know what a price equivalent to the value of the soda is? Is it $0.79, $1.29, $1.69 or some other amount? In any event, if the same commodity during the same time and market sells for different prices, how can we speak of equivalent exchange for _each_ commodity sold? I don't think we can. What then happens to the so-called "law of one price" (LOOP)? I think we have to be very careful when disaggregating that we don't assume that what (perhaps) is true on the aggregate level is also true in individual branches of production and for individual exchanges. Doing so would be an example of the fallacy of division. Similarly, we can not assume that what is the case in the aggregate is also the case during all temporal or in all spatial dimensions. In solidarity, Jerry
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- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, gerald_a_levy Sun 23 Nov 2003, 14:41 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, Philip Dunn Mon 24 Nov 2003, 12:46 GMT
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, gerald_a_levy Mon 24 Nov 2003, 14:45 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, Philip Dunn Mon 24 Nov 2003, 18:33 GMT
- (OPE-L) value, money, and the exchange of equivalents, gerald_a_levy Tue 25 Nov 2003, 14:08 GMT