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> The big picture for me is that if services such as retailing, > transport, finance, advertising etc. are treated as unproductive, and > they form an increasing proportion of the economy, labour in the > productive manufacturing fraction has to be exploited at an ever > increasing rate in order to account for undiminished non-wage income. > I do not think this is for real. Phil, thanks for describing what you see as "the big picture". Now I have a much better idea of (to use a popular expression) where you're coming from. Two brief responses: (1) Whether this is "real" is a question that can be addressed empirically. There have been a bunch of empirical studies, using national income accounts, that have concluded that there _has_ been a long-term growth of unproductive labour as a percentage of total wage-labour. We are lucky to have most of the authors of those studies on this list so I'll leave it to them (should they choose) to explain those studies. (2) To comprehend "the big picture" I think you need to examine the process of capitalist competition and the transfer of surplus value among capitalist firms. One also needs to comprehend how rent comes into this picture. These are Volume III topics. I strongly encourage you to read Volume III. After you have done so, you will gain a new appreciation of Volumes I and II. I've got an idea: why don't you start reading Volume III and if you have any questions as you proceed with the reading, you can ask us? Be forewarned, though: almost certainly you'd get multiple conflicting explanations. Still, it would make the reading more interactive and hence less of an isolated experience for you, you'd be getting feedback from other knowledgeable comrades as you proceed, and the discussion would probably be of interest to others. Think about it. In solidarity, Jerry
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour and the Two Department Model, (continued)
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour and the Two Department Model, gerald_a_levy Fri 21 Nov 2003, 12:15 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour and the Two Department Model, Phil Dunn Sat 22 Nov 2003, 06:39 GMT
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour and the Two Department Model, gerald_a_levy Sat 22 Nov 2003, 14:20 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour and the Two Department Model, Phil Dunn Sun 23 Nov 2003, 07:40 GMT
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, gerald_a_levy Sun 23 Nov 2003, 14:41 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, Philip Dunn Mon 24 Nov 2003, 12:46 GMT
- (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, gerald_a_levy Mon 24 Nov 2003, 14:45 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Unproductive Labour, Philip Dunn Mon 24 Nov 2003, 18:33 GMT
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