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Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....)
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Title: Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From
Ian
Well Allin it's interesting that Michael E and Paul C--despite
their grave metaphysical differences--seem to believe that real world
capitalism is no where near having exhausted its possibilities for
its further development; of course Michael E is more willing announce
himself a reformist and gradualist, an adherent of piecemeal
transformation on the basis of it being an "unripe time"
for any other politics. But the same political orientation would seem
to be implicit in Paul's estimation that capitalist mode of
production should be capable of further development for another fifty
or so years until the demographic conversion finally sets in.
I, for one, would be enthused if they are right; I am very
unsettled by the possibility that they are wrong. These are
troubling times--the state has become more authoritarian, inter
imperial rifts seem severe, public health problems are profound,
colonial occupation has made a come back; social services are being
gutted for militarism and rentier capitalism.
You write in response to me.
On Fri, 30 May 2003, Rakesh Bhandari
wrote:
> And an unrelated point: that superfluous and idle capital has
> hitherto warded off the complete collapse of profitability
through
> purely speculative investments in the US securities'
market...
Rakesh, that is complete nonsense. Capital does not
"disappear" when
people use it to buy financial paper, because for every buyer of
such
paper there is a seller. Capitalist consumption, on the other
hand,
is a true means of "warding off" overaccumulation.
Allin Cottrell.
Let me add the next paragraph of my own quote:
Lenin has already been vindicated
ironically as the collapse of the
Soviet Union allowed for a renewal of
inter-imperial rivalries; the
collapse of speculative frenzy could
well mean new inter-imperial
rivalries for the control of
potentially productive investment
outlets for overaccumulated
capital--Lenin would be vindicated again. (Emphasis
new)
Well yes speculation is a nonsense solution to overaccumulation.
It can pose as one however for some time! Capitalist consumption
however only wards off overaccumulation through the elimination
of capital itself--a suicide of the rentier. Yet it's not the
elimination of surplus capital which is sought but its profitable
employment.
Through consumption capital extinguishes itself or is
extinguished; as capital chases itself in a speculative bout, there
is the illusion of profit until credit lines, mortgage
refinancings and nerve run out. Until a point, those who reap gains
from the sale of corporate paper only throw the "profits"
back into the speculative wirlwind. Speculative
"investment" does not raise the question of the
disappearance of capital but the illusion of its capitalistically
productive employment. Even those insiders who attracted huge amounts
of speculative capital through dubious IPOs may well have invested
their 'gains' in speculative 'investments' of their own as this was
where the 'profits' were to be had. As the selling began, some
doubtless got out before others.
So once that illusion is dissipated, then overaccumulated
capital has to struggle to secure control over truly productive
investment outlets if it is not to be dissipated in consumption.
The issuance of debt by the government provides another illusory
productive outlet for overaccumulated capital. Govt paper was
properly classified by Marx, following Sismondi, as fictitious
capital. Mattick Sr was one of the first to think through the
implication of this classification. Duncan Foley is one of the
few contemporary theorists who so classifies govt paper (so do
Mario Cogoy, Geoffrey Pilling, and Guglielmo Carchedi).
Of course the effects of govt debt spending are not fictitious
though the govt expenditure of capital does consume it; the debt
financed expenditures may provide effective demand and counteract a
deflationary spiral in the short term but usually at the expense of
the govt debt financed construction of a military apparatus which may
then have to be used (as Trotsky long ago noted) to secure national
power and wealth so that the govt will be able to honor its
debt without encroaching on or destabilizing what may still remain an
anemic private economy. That is, the govt assets will have to be put
to "productive" use.
The point: it's too soon quite unfortunately to write off as
antiquated Lenin's vision of imperialism as intensified, nation
state-based competition over the control of productive investment
outlets and sources of tribute in the world economy. The US
installation of a viceroy in Iraq does not bode well.
I would certainly sleep better if you can show me how this is
all nonsense. As my posts on value and history were meant to show, I
have tired of Marxism. It's a Marxist dogma that the Labor Theory of
Value or the theory of the FROP can be derived with the same logical
rigor as a theorem in Euclidean geometry; historical materialism
makes too much of internal contradictions as the key to history tout
court.
Yet my point is that Grossmann seems (unfortunately) to have
successfully located the rational kernel in Lenin's catastrophic
vision. I wouldn't expect Michael E to take such a theoretical
analysis seriously, but I am interested in what you and Paul C have
to say about it.
Yours, Rakesh
- Thread context:
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Rising organic composition, (continued)
- Re: (OPE-L) Re: Rising organic composition,
Paul Cockshott Fri 30 May 2003, 13:58 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
Rakesh Bhandari Fri 30 May 2003, 17:10 GMT
- some books on demographics,
Rakesh Bhandari Fri 30 May 2003, 17:56 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
Allin Cottrell Sat 31 May 2003, 04:51 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
Rakesh Bhandari Sat 31 May 2003, 16:44 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
clyder Sat 31 May 2003, 19:18 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
Paul Cockshott Sat 31 May 2003, 20:54 GMT
- Re: (OPE-L) Rising organic composition (was: From Ian Wright on Weeks....),
Rakesh Bhandari Thu 29 May 2003, 23:33 GMT
Re: [OPE-L:8609] From Ian Wright on Weeks and Simple Commodity Production,
Rakesh Bhandari Tue 20 May 2003, 16:05 GMT
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