Re: value, labour and conservation laws

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Quoting Michael Eldred <artefact@xxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Cologne 23-May-2003
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> Paul Cockshott schrieb  Wed, 21 May 2003 10:54:37 +0100:
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> > Andrew Brown wrote:
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> >> Regarding your summary of my position on value: this is a
> >> reasonable summary -- and thanks for that -- though it does of
> >> course beg crucial questions such as the nature of 'logic' and its
> >> relation to matter, so I probably wouldn't have put it quite the
> >> same
> >> way.
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> > On issues of the philosophical status of maths and logic,
> > I regard Deutsch as one of the most fruitful researchers
> > working on a materialist theory in this respect.
> >
> > I enclose a his key 1985 paper and a recent summary.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Cockshott
> > Dept Computing Science
> > University of Glasgow
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> > 0141 330 3125
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> >   deutsch85.pdf
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> The two papers represent what I would call a digital casting of being.
> The distinction between "software" and "hardware" maps (somewhat
> imperfectly) onto the Cartesian dualism between res cogitans and res
> extensa.
>


I dont see that in saying this you grapple with any of Deutsch's points.
You make a general statement about the relationship between a couple
of Cartesian concepts and a couple of terms used in computing, but
what relevance has that to Deutsch's basic question :
'what is it about the laws of physics that allows mathematics to
be possible?'

The attempt to formulate descriptions of material reality in
discrete ( and thus in your terms a digital casting ) is taken
further by Stephen Wolfram, in 'A New Kind of Science', where he
explores that generalisation of cellular automata. But a significant
point about the latter is that they dont involve software.




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