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Re Geert's [5681] and Ajit's [5688]:
To begin with, I think Ajit and others on the
list
should take Geert up on his generous offer to
provide
photocopies of _Value-Form and the State_ (VFS) at
no cost.
In his reply to Geert, Ajit used the analogy
of
chess strategies to
describe why he was asking the
questions he has.
Chess is a good game indeed, but it is not
the
only game nor do I believe it is the kind of
game
that Geert and Mike W (and Nicky, etc.)
are
focusing on.
This is not to say that one can't conceive of
some
of the dynamics of capitalism in
chess-theoretic
terms. Indeed, I think that Gil does something
like
that with his game-theoretic take on capitalism.
Similarly, the chess analogy might not be far
off
when describing the perspective of the
"social
structure of accumulation" (ssa) school (of
which
Terry M is a member.) Sraffa's graph on the
relation
between wages and the rate of profit might also
be
extended to examining the distribution of
income
between wages and profit as a strategic
adversarial
process akin to chess. As I understand it,
VFT
does not reject this chess-theoretic way of
comprehending class struggle -- on the
contrary,
it forms a 'moment' (perhaps a better
_expression_
here might be: "essential component") of
their
analysis of capitalism.
I would describe _their_ game, though, as
a
sophisticated type
of jig-saw puzzle. It begins
with the following condition: suppose there are
hundreds or thousands of pieces of a puzzle
called
"Capitalism." The 'game', then, is: how
do the
pieces fit together?
There are a lot of people who might object to
this
game as an approach towards
comprehending
"Capitalism." Some might call it
'essentialist';
others, like Steve C (and other
Althusserians),
might call it 'totalizing.' And, of
course, one
can object to the VFT game -- i.e. the method
that they employ.
For the moment, though, I want to take this
analogy
of a puzzle a little further. In your
ordinary kind of
jig-saw puzzle you can begin with any piece
and
try to then find adjoining pieces. The VFT
puzzle,
since it follows Hegelian rules, is more
complicated
and sophisticated. To begin with, the first
piece
of the puzzle that one picks up ("the starting
point")
is crucially important. E.g. if one picks up the
piece
called "population" rather than the piece called
"commodities" then one's whole game goes in
a
different direction which is in violation of the
game's
goal of comprehending capitalism. Then,
the
sequence of the remaining parts of the puzzle
must
follow a certain order, according to Hegel's
Rules
of the Game. This is a strange game, though,
because not all of the pieces of the puzzle have
to
be put together to call a successful end to the
game.
Rather, only those parts of the puzzle which
are
essential and non-contingent to the subject
matter
(Capitalism) have to be put together. This
forms
the (my _expression_) 'core game'. After one
completes the 'core game', then one can go on
to
play more concrete 'conjunctural games' Some
ideas for 'conjunctural games', from a VFT
perspective, are given in _VFS_, pp.
299-301.
Yet, I can well understand Ajit's desire to
play
chess. I guess that's just the traditional form in
which 'debating games' take place. I wonder,
though, whether this game (reminiscent of
the
adversarial process in the courtroom where
someone
is ultimately judged 'guilty' or 'not guilty') is
the
most constructive game for
'cross-paradigm'
discussions. In any event, even if one wants
to
play that game, then there are (just like
chess)
'winning' and 'losing' moves. E.g. would a
good
attorney argue her case before the court
before
she has had an opportunity to review all of
the
relevant documents and evidence? Thus, it
seems
to me, that Ajit's game would improve once he
has
had an opportunity to read _VFS_ (of course,
other
publications like Tony S's book _The Logic of
Marx's
Capital_ are useful as well.) Doesn't
this seem fair?
After all, would you want to have a debate with
others on Sraffa or Althusser who admitted that
they hadn't read their works? What's good for
the
goose is good for the gander, right?
Apologies to our VFTers if I have
over-simplified
their 'game' above.
In solidarity, Jerry
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- [OPE-L:5690] the puzzle of capitalism? (re VFT), Gerald_A_Levy Wed 30 May 2001, 13:25 GMT
- [OPE-L:5685] RE: a sail on the horizon, mongiovg Tue 29 May 2001, 23:53 GMT
- [OPE-L:5684] a sail on the horizon, Gerald_A_Levy Tue 29 May 2001, 23:35 GMT
- [OPE-L:5686] Re: a sail on the horizon, Allin Cottrell Wed 30 May 2001, 03:52 GMT
- [OPE-L:5687] Re: a sail on the horizon, Steve Keen Wed 30 May 2001, 04:17 GMT