[OPE-L:3512] Re: Re: Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism

["Steve Keen" <stevekeen10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

That should have been "need not" embrace idealism, of course; I was in a
hurry when I typed that! Sorry,
Steve


> From: "Steve Keen" <stevekeen10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: ope-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: ope-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [OPE-L:3510] Re: Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:33:15 EST
>
> If I can add a reading recommendation to Allin's (which I second), there is
> also a non-stochastic vision of quantum mechanics, developed by David Bohm.
> It is alleged to have some currency amongst physicists these days, though
> generally speaking it is the "heterodoxy" to the Copenhagen orthodoxy.
>
> The best reference is:
>
> Albert, D.Z., 1992. <$[Publication>Quantum mechanics and
> experience<$]Publication>, Harvard University Press, Cambridge
> Massachusetts.
>
> but there's also a shorter version:
>
> 1994. ?Bohm?s alternative to Quantum Mechanics?, <$[Publication>Scientific
> American<$]Publication>, <$[Volume>270 <$]Volume> No. 5: 32-39.
>
> I don't know what has happened to this idea since string theory--but at
> least it shows that even Physics needed embrace idealism!
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> > From: Allin Cottrell <cottrell@xxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: ope-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: ope-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [OPE-L:3508] Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism
> > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> > I agree wholeheartedly with most of Paul C's posting 3507.
> > My only disagreement is with his take on the "Copenhagen
> > interpretation" of quantum theory:
> >
> > > Our blessed delivery from 19th century materialism by the
> > > Copenhagen interpretation is a delivery from the demons of
> > > Darwinian atheism and atheistic communism.
> >
> > I don't believe that Niels Bohr had any such "delivery" in mind
> > when he formulated his philosophical gloss on the scientific
> > discoveries in which he played so large a part.  He was
> > struggling honestly with the implications of the new quantum
> > findings, without any prior commitment to philosophical
> > idealism.  (I do agree, however, that later commentators --
> > lacking Bohr's intimate knowledge of the actual physics -- have
> > taken the "Copenhagen interpretation" as a springboard for
> > instrumentalist and idealist musings.)
> >
> > On this topic I recommend P. K. Feyerabend's "Realism,
> > Rationalism and Scientific Method" (Philosophical Papers,
> > Vol. 1) Cambridge, 1981, especially the essay "Niels Bohr's
> > world view".
> >
> > Allin Cottrell.
>
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