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At 09:40 03/06/00 -0700, you wrote:
From this perspective, Taylor was measuring necessary concrete labour (as a step toward compressing it) rather than the qualitatively equal labour that is visible only in the money-form. The question as to whether there is a high correlation between these which permits significant empirical investigations is separate from the theoretical question.
This is true only at the finest level of detail. Suppose he was analysing the loading of pig iron, then that is certainly just 1 concrete task. As soon as other tasks which go together to make up a complete production process are added to obtain an estimate of the total number of workers need to run a shift then Taylor was no longer dealing with concrete labour but abstract labour - the expenditure of human energy irrespective of its form. How many labourers of average ability did Bethlehem steel need to employ in their works to achieve each thousand tons of output a week.
Such a total must necessarily involve adding up different concrete labour times, but the very process of adding up and getting a total involves abstracting from where the components came from.
There is nothing mysterious about this, nor does it involve any recourse to social abstraction, it is merely a property of the addition operator in arithmetic. Addition is information destroying. A sum contains less information than its parts.
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