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Re Fred's [OPE-L:2277]: > Thus, the "core of the problem" is that the reduction of heterogenous > labor to homogenous, abstract labor (independently of prices) is a > "MERELY COGNITIVE" ABSTRACTION. Perhaps the "core of the problem" is rather the belief that there is an "independence" of abstract labour from prices. Let's consider this proposition: 1) Within the commodity-form, use-value, value, and the value-form are necessarily linked. To assert that abstract labour is "independent" of price is to *sever the connection between value and the value-form* since the value-form must necessarily come to be expressed as money under capitalism. If it was the case that abstract labour was independent of price, then it would also be the case that value doesn't have to appear through the value-form. 2) Exchange is the only process whereby the private, concrete labour of individuals becomes validated (socially constituted) as social, abstract labour. There is thus, in this sense, no "independence" of abstract labour and price. Of course, it could be suggested that the nature of the capitalist labor process tends in reality to produce abstract labour in the sense that there is a de-skilling and homogenization of concrete labours that occurs with technological change. And there is some reason to believe that this _is_ an actual social process whereby increasingly over time "generic" workers are required who have average skills (of course, the "average" can change over time: e.g. unlike the 19th Century, it is assumed by capitalists in just about all parts of the world now that workers have basic reading and writing skills) and average physical abilities (e.g. dexterity, endurance; generic body parts - like 2 legs and 2 arms) Despite this aspect of the labour process, it is *only* in the market that the standard for what socially necessary labor is becomes constituted (and also changed). This is because exchange establishes -- actualizes; makes real -- what is socially necessary labor and value. In solidarity, Jerry
- [OPE-L:2266] Re: Re: Re: Re: value-form theories, (continued)
- [OPE-L:2266] Re: Re: Re: Re: value-form theories, Michael J Williams Fri 21 Jan 2000, 16:04 GMT
- [OPE-L:2267] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: value-form theories, Allin Cottrell Fri 21 Jan 2000, 16:53 GMT
- [OPE-L:2271] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: value-form theories, Michael J Williams Fri 21 Jan 2000, 22:34 GMT
- [OPE-L:2277] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: value-form theories, Fred B. Moseley Sun 23 Jan 2000, 14:33 GMT
- [OPE-L:2278] Re: value-form theories, Gerald Levy Sun 23 Jan 2000, 16:08 GMT
- [OPE-L:2284] Re: Re: value-form theories, clyder Mon 24 Jan 2000, 10:03 GMT
- [OPE-L:2285] Re: value-form theories, Gerald Levy Mon 24 Jan 2000, 12:29 GMT
- [OPE-L:2280] Re: : value-form theories, Michael J Williams Sun 23 Jan 2000, 19:08 GMT
- [OPE-L:2281] Re: Re: : value-form theories, Allin Cottrell Sun 23 Jan 2000, 21:24 GMT