[OPE-L:2209] Fw: value-form theory and socialism

["Michael J Williams" <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

 Now I see what Julian means (below). The answer is yes indeed, the
 development of socialism (whatever that will be - see my other recent
posts)
 and the transcendence of the pig's ear would proceed together and
 interactively.  Given my libertarian yearnings,  and doubting its efficacy,
 I would also hope to avoid compulsory 're-education' for recalcitrant ears.

 Michael
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 ----- Original Message -----
 From: <P.J.Wells@xxxxxxxxxx>
 To: <mike.williams@xxxxxxxxx>
 Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 5:13 PM
 Subject: RE: [OPE-L:2193] Re: FW: Re: : value-form theory and socialism


 > Mike wrote
 >
 > > > > 5. The central role of fetishism and alienation in the conditioning
 of
 > > > > human
 > > > > agency by value-form determined social structure suggests that it
 will
 > > be
 > > > > difficult to create the silk purse of socialism without rectifying
 the
 > > > > pig's
 > > > > ear that capitalism has made of human nature.
 > > > >
 > > > > Can I take it that Mike sees these as simultaneous processes?
 > >
 > > I'm not sure what are the 'processes' that might be 'simultaneous here?
 >
 > Dealing with the silk purse and the pig's ear (which I take it from
 > your wording can't be the raw material of the purse -- tho' if it is then
 I
 > suppose the metaphor *requires* simultaneity...). I raise the point
 because
 > of the political implications of the idea that one has to rectify human
 > nature *before* the socialist project can be started.
 >
 > > (Anyway, I am a bit hesitant about putting my hand up to any charge of
 > > 'simultaneity' on this list ... !)
 > >
 > I don't think that even the most passionate TSS supporter would
 > claim that *all* simultaneity is vicious.
 >
 > Julian
 >