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My answer to Mike W about this is that it's misleading (although strictly correct) to describe Farjoun and Machover's approach as "thermodynamics". -- correct, because the mathematical formalism they rely on is the same as that underlying thermodynamics --misleading, to those not familiar with the formalism and the (physical) science to which it is applied F&M themselves refer to their approach as derived from statistical mechanics (Chapter Two of their book "Laws of Chaos" is titled "A paradigm: statistical mechanics"), but they directly address Mike's concerns at the beginning of Chapter Three: "How can methods borrowed from statistical *mechanics* be applied to political economy, which is a *social science*? Surely, an economy -- unlike a gas -- cannot be made up of a mechanical system made up of mindless particles. Economic activity is a conscious activity of human beings, motivated by human aims and impelled by human volition; nothing can be more different from the blind collision of material particles." (F&M p. 57, emphases in original) The answer is that (here I summarise) the whole point of statistical mechanics is to see what structural features a system must have given the weakest possible assumptions about the elements which make it up -- essentially that it is composed of a very large number of independent (but interacting) particles; virtually nothing is assumed about the particles themselves. The results of thermodynamics (and of F&M) depend on showing that the mixing effect of the particles' interactions imposes certain structural features on the whole ensemble, provided that the number of parameters needed to give a complete description of its state at any given moment is substantially greater than that of the constraints on the system (in the sense of equations linking the value of some parameters to others). Whether the particles are thought to be Newtonian tiny billiard balls (classical statistical mechanics), or conscious agents with intentions, etc., is irrelevant to the results, *provided* that they are *unco-ordinated* (relatively few constraints). In the first case, one can derive results about the temperature and pressure of an gas (macroscopic features of the system) from the assumption that the gas is made up of such tiny billiard balls bouncing off each other in 3D space. As F&M point out, the idea of a vast number of unco-ordinated agents whose only form of interaction is to collide with each other is an intuitively appealing image of a competitive market economy. In this case what can be deduced about the macro-state of the system are such things as prices and values, the general rate of profit, etc., etc. -- all of which (as well as the states of the individual particles (e.g. firm profit rates) are quite independent of -- tho' *caused by* -- any plans or intentions which the particles (agents) may or may not have had. They might also have pointed out that this conception fits very well with Engels' views on chance and necessity as expressed in both the introduction to "Socialism: utopian and scientific": "Calvin's creed was one fit for the boldest of the bourgeoisie of his time. His predestination doctrine was the religious expression of the fact that in the commercial world success or failure does not depend upon a man's activity or cleverness, but on circumstances uncontrollabe by him." and in a letter to Bloch: "... an infinite series of parallelograms of force which give rise to one result -- the historical event. ... For what each individual wills is obstructed by everyone else, and what emerges is something that no one willed." I hope to come back to Mike's points about naturalism in a further post -- there was an interesting 19th century debate (which, very unfortunately to my mind, appears to passed Engels by) as to what the discovery of statistical regularities in social phenomena implied for free will. Julian
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