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I'm retitling this thread in replying to Paul's discussion of information theory and the feasibility of socialism. >From my reading of Hayek, I think Paul's points, though they are an accurate summary of certain results in information theory, don't come to grips with Hayek's idea of what markets do. In Hayek's view a society producing with a complex division of labor faces the problem that the information necessary to operate production is dispersed among many different people. He views the market as a device that does two things: 1. It induces people to reveal at least some of this information, which he thinks they otherwise would be reluctant or unwilling to do. The market willy-nilly forces people to take positions (or risks) that reveal some of their information. (Hayek doesn't seem to view this as particularly benign or voluntary from the point of view of individuals, by the way.) 2. The market roughly integrates these disparate pieces of information and thus makes social production possible. (Hayek, incidentally, is quite critical of neoclassical economics for exaggerating the degree to which markets can achieve an "optimal" allocation of resources.) Now, it's obvious from a Marxist perspective that even if these are some of the functions of markets, they aren't the whole story: markets also reproduce social relations like class, and inequality, possibly as a necessary side-effect of these informational functions. But the point is not, as Paul's version of information theory has it, just the difficulty of collecting and processing "messages", but the social necessity of getting people to generate them. This raises the question of how socialism will either make this issue irrelevant or provide alternative institutions to resolve it. Duncan Duncan K. Foley Department of Economics Graduate Faculty New School University 65 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10003 (212)-229-5906 messages: (212)-229-5717 fax: (212)-229-5724 e-mail: foleyd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx alternate: foleyd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx webpage: http://cepa.newschool.edu/~foleyd
- [OPE-L:2129] Re: markets and reproduction, (continued)
- [OPE-L:2129] Re: markets and reproduction, clyder Thu 13 Jan 2000, 10:12 GMT
- [OPE-L:2143] Re: Re: markets and reproduction, michael a. lebowitz Fri 14 Jan 2000, 09:33 GMT
- [OPE-L:2147] Re: Re: Re: markets and reproduction, clyder Fri 14 Jan 2000, 10:04 GMT
- [OPE-L:2151] Re: Re: Re: Re: markets and reproduction, Jurriaan Bendien Fri 14 Jan 2000, 13:50 GMT
- [OPE-L:2159] Re: Markets and Information, Duncan K. Foley Fri 14 Jan 2000, 21:19 GMT
- [OPE-L:2160] Re: Re: Markets and Information, Allin Cottrell Sat 15 Jan 2000, 04:32 GMT
- [OPE-L:2206] Re: Re: Re: Markets and Information, Duncan K. Foley Tue 18 Jan 2000, 03:46 GMT
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- [OPE-L:2165] Re: Re: Re: Markets and Information, Steve Keen Sat 15 Jan 2000, 21:03 GMT
- [OPE-L:2169] socialism in a single moon?, Gerald Levy Sun 16 Jan 2000, 13:55 GMT