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On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Claus Germer wrote: > In order for me to understand your point of view, could you > explain: > 1) how does the state influence the determination of the > exchange values of the commodities, and how do these > exchange values come to correspond to the labor contents af > the commodities? A good question. Right now I'm getting ready to go to a conference so I'll have to be brief. I'll try to give a better answer when I get back. For now I just want to make one point: that it's possible to provide a mechanism whereby relative prices get into line with labour values, _without_ positing a money (e.g. gold) that itself has a labour value. For example, take Adam Smith: "If among a nation of hunters ... it usually costs twice the labour to kill a beaver which it does to kill a deer, one beaver should naturally exchange for or be worth two deer." Smith is implicitly supposing that the relative labour times to bring home beaver and deer are common knowledge, and that if the exchange ratio were far from the "natural" 1:2 then exchange would not take place, since people could see that they'd have to expend more labour time to get a beaver via the hunting of deer plus exchange than by hunting the beaver directly (or vice versa). Now of course I'm not claiming that this mechanism (involving common knowledge of the labour-times required to produce things, derived independently of prices) applies under capitalism. The capitalist mechanism has to be much more complex. But notice the logical point that the Smithian mechanism does not depend on a commodity money. Smith thinks of the deer-beaver exchange as a case of barter but his argument would not be affected if exchange was carried out via some sort of tokens with no inherent labour value. People could still see that, regardless of the "absolute" price of deer and beaver in terms of such tokens, equilibrium requires that the price of a beaver be twice that of a deer. I'm suggesting that the case under capitalism shares this very general feature: to get _relative_ prices (roughly) into line with labour values we need a definite economic mechanism (different from Smith's, to be sure), but this mechanism does not have to depend on the _absolute_ money prices of individual commodities being themselves explicable in terms of the labour theory of value. Allin Cottrell.
- [OPE-L:2057] Re: Re: Re: gold, (continued)
- [OPE-L:2057] Re: Re: Re: gold, Duncan K. Foley Sat 08 Jan 2000, 04:51 GMT
- [OPE-L:2061] Re: Re: Re: Re: gold, coslap Sat 08 Jan 2000, 17:51 GMT
- [OPE-L:2065] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: gold, Jurriaan Bendien Sun 09 Jan 2000, 03:04 GMT
- [OPE-L:2066] Re: Re: Re: Re: gold, Jurriaan Bendien Sun 09 Jan 2000, 03:04 GMT
- [OPE-L:2046] Re: Re: Re: the money supply, Allin Cottrell Thu 06 Jan 2000, 15:27 GMT
- [OPE-L:2038] RE: Re: Units of measure, P . J . Wells Wed 05 Jan 2000, 18:13 GMT
- [OPE-L:2036] RE: Re: Units of measure, P . J . Wells Wed 05 Jan 2000, 16:30 GMT
- [OPE-L:2037] Re: Units of measure, Gerald Levy Wed 05 Jan 2000, 17:02 GMT
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