Re: [Marxism] A velvet revolution in Iran?

[brad bauerly <bbauerly@xxxxxxxxx>]

S. Artisian- "But NOBODY here is repeating CNN soundbites; nobody here is
falling into the
dichotomy you suggest, except possibly for you."

Aw but they are.  Go back and read the posts, specifically the one by Louis
in which he states that the protesters are fighting for
'democracy'.  It is pure nonsense!

S. Artesian- "Sure the US is involved.  So what?  We don't endorse either of
the factions
contending for the government.  "We" "defend" as much as we can the
protestors from the repression by the state, and non-state, armed forces."

This is the problem, you are projecting your goals and desires onto the
material real world.  It is idealism and Utopian idealism at its worst.  The
protesters are actually fighting for one of the factions in the election,
not your goal of world communism.  You are projecting onto them what you
want them to be doing, and then later coming back and arguing that they
don't have the correct consciousness of their situation, that "It cannot
emerge fully conscious.  It has to develop in order to apprehend its own
roots." to cover the fact that it isn't what you want it to be.  Just face
the simple facts that this is not and will not be a fight for democracy in
any meaningful manner and that it represents the very limited goals as
presented by the ruling bourgeoisie/theocracy.  As such, it is important but
not that important all of our societies have gone through the same liberal
democratic changes in the past. If you want to celebrate liberal democratic
movements/revolutions then fine, I am sure you will be enjoying the 4th, but
don't pretend that this is more or attack those who see that it is not.

I should go back and pull up some quotes of you attacking silly leftists for
thinking that Obama and his 'movement' would lead to any real change.  It
would be very telling of your actual ethnocentric view that somehow this
situation holds more potential for actual change than the Obama election,
when in fact it probably holds less, or at least no more.  Just like those
silly leftists you are projecting your desires for a mass based and class
conscious movement/revolution in Iran (they are not there yet, but they will
wise up to the proper line soon).  When the reality is that this is just
another liberal rouse to divide the left and society and social classes more
generally.

Louis- What the hell does Lenin have to do with any of this?  I simply skip
over any lengthy quotes from that guy...he was maybe good in his very
particular historical and social moment but has very little to offer to us
now.

Brad

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Brad A. Bauerly
PhD Candidate
Political Science
York University
Toronto, Canada
647-345-2072
bauerly@xxxxxxxx
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