Re: [Marxism] WWP: Iran: What Fraud? [retry]

["S. Artesian" <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Come on, have we become,  have we always been this schematic, formal, 
linear, one-dimensional?  I guess, given the condition of Marxism in the US, 
the answer must be "yes."

1.  Are the events in Iran separate, apart, distinct from the international 
economic contraction?  If you answer "yes,"  don't bother reading further. 
As a matter of fact, don't bother with anything.

2. If you answer "no," if this struggle is triggered by the worsening 
economic conditions, then ask yourself how do you expect the social struggle 
precipitated by this distress to exhibit its initial manifestations in a 
society dominated by religious orthodoxy? Do you expect it to spring 
full-grown from the forehead of Marx, Lenin, or Trotsky?

Clearly, the first "actors" on the stage are going to be the "volatile" 
elements of youth, students, women, those who have bumped up most often 
against the restrictions of the theocracy.  And just as clearly, these 
forces may and will initially articulate demands of  "classic" bourgeois 
democracy and liberalism.

3. Are "more capitalist" forces at work trying to take advantage of the 
situation?  Of course.  What do you expect the bourgeoisie to do?  And so 
what?

4.  Is the current "Green" drapery of the protest the final, ultimate color, 
organization, and content of the conflict?  Not unless Marxists abandon the 
field, and in a sectarianism that is truly sectarian, fail to engage the 
protest, and agitate around the real source of the conflict and its 
essential resolution.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Redden" <wsredden@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] WWP: Iran: What Fraud? [retry]


> At 10:26 PM -0400 6/20/09, Shane Mage wrote:
>>
>>This sect, the Marcyites, remain true to their origin:  siding with
>>the Stalinist suppression of the Hungarian workers' revolution.
>
> So it is your assertion, Comrade Mage, that this is a "workers
> revolution"?  Based upon what evidence can you make such a claim?


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