Re: [Marxism] PSL on China

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>> For almost two years, members of the Party for Socialism and  Liberation 
undertook an internal educational campaign, discussion and review of  the 
current government of the Peopleâs Republic of China from the perspective of  
the struggle for socialism and the interests of the world working class. 
This  discussion was in preparation for the possibility of a major struggleâ
waged from  within and withoutâagainst the Chinese government, which is led 
by 
the Communist  Party of China.<< 
 
Comment 
 

A political/ideological group in America, with probably less than 1000  
members, spending 2 years studying whether or not to support the overthrow  of 
the government in China and the overthrow of the Communist Party of China,  
struck me as bizarre, incomprehensible, and utterly laughable. 
 
I could not stop laughing. I am still laughing! :-) 
 
Who but silly Americans, in our imperial arrogance and chauvinistic  
stupidity can pretend to have the ability to discern what constitutes "the  
interests of the world working class"?  
 
NO . . . really . . . . the interest of the world working class. THE WORLD. 
 
Who but charlatans, driven by intellectual foot solider's of the American  
intelligence community can possess an attitude that publicly states; 
 
"Let's us examine (for two years), from the standard point of the interest  
of the world working class,  whether or not we shall advocate and support  
the overthrow of the government of China." 
 
It gets better. 
 

"The overthrow of the Communist Party of China by non-revolutionary  forces 
would hurl China backward in its epoch-making struggle to emerge from  
underdevelopment. The overthrow of the Communist Party under those 
circumstances 
 would return China to the semi-slavery of comprador neo-colonial rule. 
China  would then also face the possibility of splintering, as happened in 
Yugoslavia  and as may happen in Iraq under the impact of foreign occupation. 
In 
the face of  this threat, our Party would offer militant political defense 
of the Chinese  government in spite of our profound differences with 
so-called "market  socialism." 
 
Incredible! 
 
The above apparently means  . . . . at this time we support the  government 
of China and will not advocate its overthrow - "in spite of profound  
differences." 
 
Why would one want to support the government of China? Supporting the  
Chinese people or rather, people of China has always been good enough for me,  
because government policy and states shift. I see no reason to have to  
explain any governments policy, especially when I know I had nothing to go with 
 
shaping the policy of a foriegn government.  
 
We forget history. 
 
During the existence of Soviet power, various groupings in America  
advocated the overthrow of the Soviet government, during different period  
using 
different rationales. These groups intersect with the political and  
ideological intent expressed in a world system of intelligence agencies.  
Soviet 
Power existed in collision and collusion with imperialism from its birth.  
Supporting Soviet Power has always been enough for me. 
 
Some matters of politics requires common sense. 
 
Advocating the overthrow of a foreign government, as we exist in the  
citadel of world imperialism (in the United States of North America) is the 
hall  
mark of political stupidity. Let's understand what can happen. 
 
From the time Lenin approved formation of the Cheka in December 1917 -  
(which immediately went about the work of hunting down and crushing - including 
 executions, all those identified as counterrevolutionary in the eyes of 
the  state), to its expansion under the regime of Joseph Stalin, this 
intelligence  apparatus went after advocates of overthrowing the Soviet 
government 
with a most  brutal vengeance. This vengeance led to the assassination of 
Leon Trotsky and  many of his supporters throughout the world. However the 
question is why would  someone in America, in say 1947, advocate the overthrow 
of the Soviet  government? 
 
Why a person or group in America would advocate or study for two years  
whether or not to advocate the over throw of a foreign government . . . is just 
 mind boggling to me. 
 
The 73 million members of the CPC, it massive intelligence apparatus, it  
armed forces and 1.3 billion people can now sleep better at night, knowing 
that  a handful of imperial knuckleheads in America, do not advocate 
overthrowing  their government  . . . . for now. 
 
I do not advocate the overthrow or destroying the American government. 
 
I do support and advocate the overthrow of bourgeois property through the  
vehicle of the Third American Revolution: Proletarian Revolution. 
 
Apparently, the group in question has studied for two years whether or not  
to position itself to either go to war or become part of a political and  
military effort to go to war with the people of China (as foreign insurgents) 
 for the purpose of overthrowing the government of China, which is led by 
the  Communist Party of China. If people in China, including party members, 
who this  group likes, fight to overthrow the government of China, they will 
be supported  by PSL  
 
Look . . . I do not know these people of the PSL, don't want to know them  
and have every intention to stay away from them. 
 
These folks are outta their damn minds. 
 
As I understand the turning point of the Tiananmen Square incident,  
protest, democratic insurgency. etc., the turning point came when the students  
demanded that party leaders, expose and make public, the system of crony  
capitalism and the personal connections of individual party members and their  
family members, and their connection with foreign capital. The demand for 
public  exposure was the tipping point. As I understand the logic and flow of 
events. A  critical segment of the most paramount leaders, drew the line on 
this issue and  said  . . ."Oh hell no." 
 
"To overthrow or not to advocate overthrowing the government of China." 
 
Unbelievable. 
 
Is the PSL a group of kids full of vinegar? 
 

WL. 
 
 
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