Re: [Marxism] Mao Tse-Tung ...etc

["S. Artesian" <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I consider the Russian Revolution to have been the single greatest, most 
important event in human history.  I consider the Chinese Revolution to have 
been as I described it, the result of the inability of capitalism to afford 
the conditions for its own birth and the defeat of the proletarian 
revolution-- creating an extension of the "deformed" or whatever you want to 
call it Soviet with a capital S system.

Was it progressive?  That's like asking me if Russia's defeat of Nazi 
Germany was progressive-- of course it was.  But the conditions for the 
ascension of the Nazis were created not just in the conditions of capitalist 
accumulation, but in the defeat of prospects for that overthrow to which the 
Soviets-- and their Communist International-- contributed.

The matters of history, class struggle, and social development are a little 
bit more complicated than "progressive"  "not-progressive"  when those terms 
are used for ideological purposes-- to obscure the actual evolution of 
relations of accumulation and class.

Nice though how when it comes to actually discussing things concretely, 
those who think they are talking concretely can't come to grips with the 
actual relations of land and labor.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marv Gandall" <marvgandall@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Mao Tse-Tung ...etc



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