Re: [Marxism] Not 'RoP' but '% of total profits' - duh. Re: US profits collapse in 4th qtr

[sabocat59@xxxxxxx]

S. Artersian wrote:

I am not arguing against utilizing organic methods in cultivation. I am 
absolutely arguing against this notion that having more and more people 
tethered to subsistence, or "subsistence +" production is or ever can be a 
basis for communism, or that "much of the population alienated from the land 
puts us at a distinct disadvantage."And who ever advocated Cuba returning to 
the agricultural practices and policies of the failed fSU? The policies and 
practices didn't work in the fSU- and the major reason was because of the poor 
agricultural productivity inherent in its organization. Like I said, throughout 
the 1980s, 33% [I think} of the population was tethered to agriculture. But you 
know what else we should never want to go back to? The romantic notions about 
subsistence farming and the efficacy of its agriculture and the romantic 
notions where rural life is Edenesque.

-------------------------------------

What I really think is that 100% of the population should be involved in some 
form of organic permaculture. It should be as common as brushing your teeth or 
making a pot of coffee. 
Who's arguing about fucking Eden? Shit smells and getting your hands dirty is 
hard work and leads to backaches. But I've always found the effort to be 
rewarding on many different levels. 

In terms of increased yields of organic agriculture its pretty much been 
established that medium sized family or cooperative organic farms with 
livestock are vastly more productive and sustainable than our oil based 
monocrop system. You need to figure the costs of creating the agrochemicals as 
well as the costs of erosion over time. Agricultural reality is currently 
dystopian.   And that's the opposite of Eden. 

Greg  
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
________________________________________________
YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
Send list submissions to: Marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Set your options at: 
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40archives.econ.utah.edu