Re: [Marxism] Proletarians, peasants, and polemics

[new wave <new.wave.nw@xxxxxxxxx>]

so, according to you, the gap between destruction of CCP under Chen Tu Shiu
acting on commands of Stalinist Comintern and then re-emergence of CCP in
rural China, is ahistoric?

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM, <sobuadhaigh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> New Wave wrote:
>
> >Without having a thorough understanding of 1925-27,
> >neither can one understand the alignment of class
> >forces in (the) Chinese revolution,
>
> Yes, and dare I say that a thorough understanding of the
> events in China during this period will require reading
> something besides polemical literature designed to prove
> a political point today which has nothing to do with
> the events then. Who exactly wrote "The Hidden Dynamics
> of the Chinese Revolution" and what is their background
> in historical research? Tell me off line if you wish as
> I would honestly like to know.
>
> >...Maoist bureaucracy- the bureaucracy that came to
> power on the back of defeats of proletariat in 1925-27
> uprisings, the defeats which were fostered by none but
> by the bureaucracy itself, acting under direct command
> >of Stalinist Comintern.
>
> By bureaucracy do you mean the cadre of the Chinese
> Communist Party or just the cadre supportive of Mao?
> Do you have evidence, from any source that shows Mao
> was acting, ever, under the direct command of the
> Comintern? The commonly accepted date for Mao's
> leadership of the CCP is not until 1935. Is this what
> you mean by "coming to power on the back of defeats
> of the proletariat in 1925-27"? Even that 1935 date is
> being challenged as too early by some and given the
> tempo and complexity of events, I just cannot see
> the simple, causal relationship you are trying to
> construct.
>
> Is this what you are trying to say?
>
> *Stalin destroys the real "proletarian" CCP through
> his control by way of "comintern agents" from 1925-
> 1927.
>
> *Mao then builds a "fake" CCP comprised of peasants.
>
> *The fake CCP takes over China in 1949 and for some
> period of time the country is (or is not) socialist
> before totally capitulating to capitalism at a date
> for which there is no consensus.
>
> Can you blame me for "reducing to absurdity" a
> method of historical analysis already
> absurd?
>
>
>
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