[Marxism] A second quote from Marx and Engels on crises

[Charles Brown <cdb1003@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sartesian:
I don't object to Waistline answering Charles' questions that are directed 
to me, since all mail from Charles goes directly into my kill-file.

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CB: Well, Waistline is not
following your line in
answering my questions.

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I do think indulging Charles' sycophancy and distortion is an utter waste 
of time, as can clearly be seen by Charles' reversal of Marx's and Engels' 
statements-- appended to WL's text-- and his use of purely formal and linear 
illogic to try to show that Marx and Engels said what they never said.

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CB: What I sent was a copy of
what Marx and Engels wrote in
the _Manifesto of the Communist Party_
So, it is what they said. You're getting
desparate if you claim that they didn't
say: 

"On the 
one hand, by enforced destruction of a 
mass of productive forces; on the other, 
by the conquest of new markets, and by the 
more thorough exploitation of the old ones. 
That is to say, by paving the way 
for more extensive and more destructive crises, 
and by diminishing the means whereby 
crises are prevented."

What is your version of what "diminishing
the means whereby crises are prevented"
refers to ? It's got to be either 

1)enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces
or /and
2)the conquest of new markets
or/and
3)the more thorough exploitation of the old ones.

Number 1) is one of your (our) means for
ending a crisis. So, it's not a good
candidate for diminishing the means
whereby crises are prevented. Hard to
see how the conquest of new markets dimishes
the means whereby crises are prevented. It's
one of the countervaling measures for avoiding
the tendency of the rate of profit to fall
in Vol. 3 of Capital. That leaves, 3)the
more thorough exploiation of the old ones,which
would seem to increase the poverty and 
restricted consumption of the masses, no ?

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Charles' tactics remind me of a lawyer, who, recognizing that he has no case 
for his client, introduces extraneous material, hoping to irritate the judge 
enough to achieve grounds for a mistrial. Doesn't change the fact that he 
has no case, just allows him to build up his billable hours.

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CB: That's starting to wear thin.

Marx and Engels words are above for anybody
to read. 




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