[Marxism] Marx was a "restricted consumptionist"

["Charles Brown" <charlesb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

S. Artesian
So Charles produces one quote, a sentence, and from that, disregarding what 
Marx wrote about overproduction, and the overproduction of capital, and the 
conflict between means and relations, Charles concludes that Marx was a 
"restricted consumptionist."

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CB: So, is it your opinion that
"poverty and restricted consumption
of the masses" plays no role in
causing crises ; and that Marx just
threw that one sentence in there
wanting it to be ignored ?

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So Charles show us how restricted consumption has triggered 

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CB: No , when you said this last
time I specifically pointed out
that it is the socalled ultimate cause, 
not trigger.  
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the expansions 
and contractions of capital; how it leads to devaluation, destruction of 
MOP.  Give us, not a quote, but the numbers.  Find something in the US BEA, 
the Annual Survey of Manufacturers,  the Census Bureau's Quarterly Financial 
Reviews, the Fed's Statistical Supplements (last issue published about 2 
weeks ago, unfortunately), or the Fed's review of industrial capacity and 
utilization to measure, guide, analyze, predict the impact of restricted 
consumption.

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CB: Well, there's a challenge.  It 
would have to be numbers on total
 income of the US working class 
and total production of personal 
consumption goods in a given time period.
And it wouldn't be looking for a trigger
effect.  Rather just showing that production
 of personal consumption goods is 
greater than total income.

I guess the transnationalization of the
 economy complicates  having only
US numbers.

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Show us how restricted consumption produced... how about Russia 1905 or 
1917; Mexico 1910? 
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CB: You seem to be mixing political
crises with economic crises. But do 
you really think that poverty and 
restricted consumption of the 
masses had nothing to do with
those political revolutions. The
slogan in 1917 Russia was
"_Bread_( emphasis added-CB), 
Land and Peace"

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 The US displacement of Spain in 1896;  Great Depression; 
rise of Hitler; defeat of the Spanish Republic--- actually any critical event 
in capitalist history.

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CB: Are you saying there was 
 a correlation with a falling rate of
profit for all these events ? What
is the trigger you claim






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