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Re: [Marxism] Spiked online's obsession with anti-Semitism
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- Subject: Re: [Marxism] Spiked online's obsession with anti-Semitism
- From: Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:48:45 -0500
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Shane Mage wrote:
>
>
> But what does this denunciation of Furedi have to do with the alleged
> "Zionist apologetics" in the article by O'Neill?
>
Due to space limitations, I didn't respond to O'Neill. But let me just
put out a few comments:
1. There is same flaw that was present in Furedi's piece. It does not
deal with the base but with the superstructure. In other words, there is
an all-consuming desire to engage with ideology rather than praxis. To
reduce Zionism to the level of just another nationalist ideology robs
the discussion of the all-important historical context. For example, the
nationalism of Garibaldi was intended to unite a pre-existing Italian
nation on Italian territory under a bourgeois state. In the case of
Israel, the goal was to remove a population from a territory in order to
create an exclusively Jewish state. Garibaldi was a revolutionary; Herzl
was a pro-imperialist intriguer. It doesn't matter that their words were
similar.
2. O'Neill accepts Zionist propaganda at face value:
"Contemporary Zionism is defensive. It is underpinned not by visions of
the future but by ideas of Jewish victimhood, by the necessity of
halting ‘future Holocausts’ against the Jews from their various mortal
enemies. This has given rise to an even more physical, closed-off form
of Zionism, where Israel builds monumental brick walls covered in barbed
wire to protect Jews from the external world. This is a tragedy, not
only for Palestinians, but for Jews, too.'"
This is utter nonsense. George W. Bush also used the idea of victimhood
to punish Arabs. And Hitler used it as an excuse to launch WWII. The
idea that Zionism is "defensive" implies that there is some basis in
fact--like being surrounded by hostile Muslim countries. Of course this
is bullshit.
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