Re: [Marxism] Palestine and revolution

["Ruthless Critic of All that Exists" <ok.president+marxml@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Lüko Willms <lueko.willms@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:06:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), s.artesian wrote:
>
>>  What is clear in Palestine, as it was in Ireland, is
>> that the struggle against oppression and military barbarism
>> cannot be divorced from a class struggle;
>> that defense of all the Palestinians and real prospects
>> for rolling back the tanks, as opposed to bearing witness,
>> depends on exactly that evaluation of program, practice,
>> and history, so distasteful to some.
>
>  Especially to our friend Sartesian.
>
>  Since the real version of the above statement is that one cannot divorce
> the class struggle from the struggle for democracy and national sovereignty
> of the oppressed Arab people of Palestine.
>
>  Once one thinks that one could lead a class struggle divorced from the
> national question, one falls into a deep trap of economism, of working class
> romanticism.

That's not how he read the above. He was saying that:

(A):  the national struggle cannot be prosecuted successfully, if
dissociated from the class struggle.

But you're "versioning" that to read:

(B): the class struggle can be prosecuted successfully, even if
dissociated from the national  struggle.

Then you proceed to attack (B).

But (B), while a highly dubious statement, does not follow from (A),
nor was put forward by him as a claim.

So, you're attacking a straw man.

(B)

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