[Marxism] Palestine and Revolution

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Sobaud:
 
 said I did not support their program for establishing an 
Islamic  state because this goal is a repudiation of the 
concept of a secular,  democratic state in all of Palestine. 
As I hope you are aware of now, the  fight for a secular 
democracy has always been the foundation of the  
revolutionary struggle against Zionism. 

Reply:
 
Again, you fail completely to grasp the fact that at this moment in time  the 
historic task is not the establishment of a secular, democratic state in all  
of Palestine, which under existing material conditions is nothing more than  
political posturing, it is nothing less than the survival of the Palestinian  
people and their resistance to ethnic cleansing. 
 
And despite your smug assertion, you have made me aware of nothing except a  
woeful analysis which attempts to substitute metaphysics for dialectics. The  
fight for secular democracy was at one time the foundation of the struggle  
against Zionism. Now it is not, except perhaps in your own head. At this  given 
moment, I repeat, the important thing is not the form which the resistance  
takes but resistance itself.
 
Sobaud:
 
I know why Hamas won the election in 2006 against 
Fatah and that does  not change the simple historical fact
that states based on religious  confession and enforcing 
religious law are a bad idea
 
Reply:
 
Yep, those pesky lil Palestinian chitlens really don't know what's good for  
them, do they? Nothing of course to do with the expression of resistance  
under prevailing material conditions, nothing to do with the vacuum left by  
the 
removal of secular resistance movements across the Arab world as a  result of 
their defeat at the hands of imperialism combined with the  mistakes of their 
leaders, resulting in their degeneration. No, decades of the  ebb and flow of 
struggle which resulted in the emergence of Hamas and the  rise of Political 
Islam in general is summed up by Sobaud in just  three words - 'a bad idea.
 
 
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