Re: [Marxism] [French] Les calculs sordides et meurtriers deTel-Aviv

["S. Artesian" <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

These are powerful and stirring assertions, Nestor, but as is the case in 
your remarks on Brazil, you provide nothing, nothing, in concrete analysis 
to back them up.

Certainly Trotsky defended Cardenas and the nationalization of the petroleum 
industry against the attacks of the US bourgeoisie.  That doesn't make 
Cardenas' nationalization proletarian, revolutionary, or  a transition to 
proletarian revolution, or even supportive of proletarian revolution. The 
subsequent history of Mexico proves that.

I have long felt than anybody can find anything he or she wants to find in 
Trotsky, which is why I phrased my "variation" from Luko's so "mildly" [at 
least mildly for me].  I have no intention of arguing about what Trotsky 
thought of the "national struggle" for just that reason.

In Bolivia today [of all places, the most transparent example], in 
Venezuela, Ecuador, Brazil, Thailand, China, Guinea, South Africa, Zimbabwe, 
Palestine, we are most definitely not dealing with a national question, the 
question of "national liberation" of one nation, as a nation, oppressed by 
other nations.

Anybody can, and anybody does, talk about liberating the "nation" from the 
"yoke of foreign oppressors."  Vargas talked about it, Goulart talked about 
it, the Paz Estenssoro talked about it, as did Torres.  But the liberation 
of the "nation" really means, needs, and requires the elimination of the 
national boundaries imposed on, particularly,  the geography of Latin 
America, and Africa by the structure of developed, and developing 
capitalism.

Politics of emancipation, most acutely, in the "semi-colonies" as you 
describe these countries are always, explicitly, class politics.  The 
history of these "semi-colonies" is explicitly class history, class 
struggle, and that class struggle is not about emancipating a national 
petit-bourgeoisie from the yoke of imperialism; it is not about a the "good" 
"national" "industrializing" capital [and capitalists] as opposed to the 
"bad" "international" "extractive" capital [and capitalists].

The struggle is, as it has been, all about emancipating the labor of 
indigenous, the rural landless, the workers, the urban poor from the grip of 
capitalism, "good" and "bad."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nestor Gorojovsky" <nmgoro@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] [French] Les calculs sordides et meurtriers 
deTel-Aviv



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