Re: [Marxism] Of victory and victories

["S. Artesian" <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And I thank Joaquin for demonstrating once again his commitment, his 
dedication, to transforming every class struggle into an anti-class 
"democratic" "national" issue-- as if what triggered this struggle somehow 
was the oppression of Latinos and not overproduction; not the falling rate 
of profit; not the necessity of capitalism finding ways to exploit labor, 
wage-labor, regardless of color, at a sufficient rate of intensity to offset 
such declines such overproduction.

1. Yes, I agree in general with Shacht's position. And to that I pointed out 
that it was not the sudden appearance but the appeal to congressman, who, 
first and foremost, is a Democrat, an agent of the bourgeoisie with a Latino 
surname.

2. Mr. Lause resonded with an accusation of moralism, that somehow I opposed 
on moral grounds the union leadership appealing to the congressman with the 
Latino surname.  I offer no such opposition.  I noted then and note now that 
such appeals are to be expected in this early stage of the struggle and will 
continue until the struggle outgrows agents of the bourgeoisie with surnames 
of any origin-- until the class of workers realizes, surnames to the 
contrary not withstanding, that it must become its own, and through that, 
everybody else's, representative.

3.  Mr. Bustelo added all the qualifiers about  Mr. Gutierrez being "slimy." 
I did not.  I do not know Mr. Gutierrez's record and could care less how 
slimy or pristine he is.  It is class, not personal and financial hygiene 
that concerns me, however undemocratic, anti-national that may be.

4. Mr. Lause accused me of immaturity or infantilism or somesuch based not 
on surnames but simply on his mischaracterization and distortion of my 
position in the attempt to bolster his own ludicrous position that somehow 
this congressman is the appropriate representative for the workers's 
struggle.

5. Again I am thankful to Joaquin for pointing out that his call for support 
to McKinney during her struggle inside the Democratic Party was "NOT based 
on her politics" but on the "democratic right" of black people to 
representation-- as if she were being attacked because of her representation 
of black people rather than her politics.  In this, Joaquin reveals the 
complete, and I do mean complete, bankruptcy of the "democratic"  "national" 
struggle-- it has, according to Joaquin himself  NO politics, which --I 
believe it is reasonable to infer-- means no class struggle.

6. I am hardly blind to white privilege, having worked in auto, steel, and 
then for 36 years the railroad industry where I had to work hard to get 
African-Americans and women considered, and selected for management 
positions.  I believe, however, unlike Joaquin, that the battle against such 
privilege must become class-based and cannot be successfully prosecuted as a 
democratic right, or by the actions of "enlightened" senior managers-- as I 
think African-Americans, women, and Latinos workers would, and in fact did, 
characterize me-- nor can such privilege be successfully combatted by 
Democratic congressmen with Latino surnames.  That such congressmen may find 
an opportunity to intervene and resolve such conflicts on the basis of the 
forms and content of the bourgeoisie-- i.e. democratically get the company 
to pay the severance pay while moving the work to unorganized labor-- shows 
that the struggle has to develop beyond such the ideological limitations  of 
"democratic" "national" rights.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joaquin Bustelo" <jbustelo@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Of victory and victories



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