Re: [Marxism] Of victory and victories

["S. Artesian" <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think I posed this as a moral question.  In fact, despite your best 
efforts at misrepresenting what have written in this discussion about Obama, 
and what his election means, and what the prospects are, I have posed 
nothing as a moral question.

I was introducing a point of fact.  And I said it is something that will be 
encountered again and again (although with typos).

As for the ramifications of the appeal to the congressman-- the 
ramifications are but an index to the early level of the struggle.  In this 
case they are no different than previous appeals during earlier struggles, 
say the early civil rights battles, to the federal government for 
intervention-- for FBI investigation and protections etc.

The key to this however, and to your entire position of equivocation is in 
your statement:
"When workers need representation, are they supposed to not call on the 
government to live up to those claims"

Indeed, when the workers need representation?  So a congressman of the 
Democratic party can represent the workers?  They, the workers, need his 
representation?  Only if the struggle has barely begun, only if the workers 
have not yet grasped that they, collectively, must become their own 
representatives. It will take time, and increased struggle, and a bit of 
consciousness beyond that of sniggering little songs.

Keep sniggering, Mark, I'm sure you can come up with another little ditty to 
prove how that notion of self-representation too is the apotheosis of 
ultra-left sectarianism.   It's one of the things you do best.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Lause" <markalause@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sartesian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Of victory and victories

> When workers need representation, are they supposed to not call on the
> government to live up to those claims?  I don't see that as
> politically astute nor as a problem of false consciousness.  Then
> again, I'm always doing what I can to thwart the triumph of American
> socialism.  (Remind me to get another bonus this week.)


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