Re: [Marxism] Seymour/Ayers - more history of SWP sectarianism in the Vietnam antiwar movement

[Tom Cod <tcod@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

but don't forget that the anti-war movement was able to overcome these 
differences for the big protests in 1969 and 1971 
through the New Mobe-SMC-Moratorium coalition and the NPAC/PCPJ actions.

> From: causecollector@xxxxxxx
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:42:46 -0800
> Subject: [Marxism] Seymour/Ayers - more history of SWP sectarianism in the 
> Vietnam antiwar movement
> To: tcod@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> Comrade Cod,
>  
> I do agree with you that the SWP Did oppose the August 1968 Protests at the 
> Democratic Convention.  I was in the YSA at that time and told NOT to go to 
> Chicago and be part of the protests.  The SMC had split soon before that and 
> the CP and pacifists walked out - and the 5th Avenue Peace Parade Committee 
> and other regional peace groups sided with the CP and the SWP left those 
> regional groups at this time - many times being forced to leave other times 
> voluntarily leaving to form their eventual new national group and local 
> affiliates that they totally controlled and prefer over the larger previous 
> coalitions.  That new national groups was NPAC formed in 1970.
>  
> It is again more evidence about what I said that there were other groups 
> outside SWP and mass actions that were important in the Vietnam Anti-war 
> Movement.  The SWP had the correct political line about building mass 
> demosntrations - but they were sectarian and not willing to work or support 
> groups to the left of the CP that were active and doing things - because they 
> wanted to recruit people MORE than being in soldiarity with another left 
> group with different politics and would rather form a coalition with ADA than 
> with SDS!!!!!
>  
> Those are the sorry facts!
>  
> John O'Brien> From: tcod@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:30:38 +0000> 
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Seymour/Ayers - rewriting history?> To: 
> causecollector@xxxxxxx> > > Leaving aside to whom this view should be 
> attributed, you are right, SDS didn't oppose that, > but the SWP did! I know 
> because I was there. I remember being outside the Conrad Hilton > when the 
> shit came down and then the rally the next day with Eugene McCarthy, Dick 
> Gregory,> Peter Paul & Mary and Phil Ochs.> > The SWP, out of sectarian 
> timidity influenced by the presence of FBI informant Ed Heisler as one its 
> local leaders, > backed out of and walked away from this protest and bad 
> mouthed it later, except for a contingent of YSAers led by Carl Finamore, > 
> on the basis that it was "ultraleft" and might provoke violence. Well, 
> actually it was a peaceful mass protest like the one in Selma in 1965, > so I 
> guess Walter Cronkite was to the left of Peter Camejo on that one at that 
> point, because as a presidential commission > appointed by LBJ concluded: it 
> was a police riot.. Sad.> > > From: causecollector@xxxxxxx> > Date: Fri, 5 
> Dec 2008 21:17:11 -0800> > Subject: [Marxism] Seymour/Ayers - rewriting 
> history?> > To: tcod@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Ethan,> > > > I do not agree with 
> what you wrote below as to being accurate on SDS history.> > > > The SDS did 
> NOT oppose the Chicago August 1968 protests at the Democratic Party 
> Convention.> > Look at who were SDS members among the Chicago 8 Defendants - 
> and see that SDS put out posters around that protest. A number of SDSers may 
> have politically opposed the National Mobilization Committee and some may 
> have opposed YIP (Yippie) - but I do not remeber them urging their members to 
> not protest the war and the other demands raised by SCLC the Black Panther 
> PArty and other groups who were there to protest?> > > >> 
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