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[Marxism] Did Trotsky urge voting for Black Democrats?
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- Subject: [Marxism] Did Trotsky urge voting for Black Democrats?
- From: Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:22 -0400
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I was rather startled to see Marxism list subscriber Joaquin Bustelo
state that “Trotsky specifically urged voting for a Black Democrat under
certain conditions.” Joaquin, a brilliant and wise former member of the
Socialist Workers Party, has dispensed with much of the dogma that
marked this one-time very influential group but I cannot go along with
his recent “re-thinking” around support for the Democratic Party. I want
to take this opportunity, therefore, to actually review what Trotsky
said and also to relate it to electoral questions facing the left today.
Joaquin first alluded to Trotsky and Black Democrats in reply to a
subscriber whose hostility to the Democratic Party is about as deep as
my own:
>>This is, of course, the old SWP schema of “class lines” in elections.
It is not a Marxist nor Leninist position. Marx and Lenin both voted for
capitalist parties (on occasion) and Lenin specifically advocated
calling for a vote for bourgeois-imperialist “social-democratic” and
“Labour” parties as part of a tactic to undermine their base among
working people. Trotsky specifically urged voting for a Black Democrat
under certain conditions.<<
Since I have already challenged Joaquin on Marx and Lenin’s positions, I
did not want to repeat my arguments. But Trotsky’s alleged support for
“voting for a Black Democrat” was a new one on me. When I asked Joaquin
to provide a citation for this, he replied:
>>The passage occurs in the Pathfinder book, Leon Trotsky on Black
Nationalism, and in the discussion on the creation (backed by the SWP)
of a Black organization. Trotsky posits this group could sponsor or back
candidates for office. He says we would propose revolutionaries, but of
course we might lose. If a Black Democrat is nominated, we could support
that candidate, making clear we support “the Negro,” not the Democrat,
which I understand to mean, as an expression of our support to the
democratic right of Black people to political inclusion and
representation, not an endorsement of the specific views/outlook/program
of this Black candidate. The SWP editors of the Pathfinder edition add
to this a footnote to the effect that Trotsky MEANT provided this “Negro
Democrat” ran as an independent candidate on the ballot. I think the
footnote is bullshit. Trotsky, neither here nor elsewhere, presents
anything to indicate he is in the slightest aware of or concerned about
the minutiae of U.S. election laws of ballot practices.<<
Since this seems so counter-indicative to everything that Trotsky ever
wrote about electoral politics, I decided to stop by the Columbia
University library at lunch and take a look at the Pathfinder book,
something I haven’t done in over 10 years. (The last time I referred to
it was in order to prepare an article on the national question.)
The reference to Black Democrats occurs in an April 11, 1939 article
titled "Plans for the Negro Organization". As Joaquin points out, the
SWP was trying to help launch a new group that sounds quite a bit like
what Malcolm X was trying to do with the Organization for Afro-American
Unity. In fact, this article was written just 6 days after “A Negro
Organization” that laid out the perspectives for this new initiative. He
felt that the Trotskyists alone could provide the impetus since "None of
the parties can now assume such a task because they are either
pro-Roosevelt imperialists or anti-Roosevelt imperialists."
full:
http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/did-trotsky-urge-voting-for-black-democrats/
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