Re: [Marxism] Temporary nationalizations

["Ambrose Andrews" <ambrose-bulk@xxxxxxxx>]

2008/10/8 Joaquin Bustelo <jbustelo@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Ambrose Andrew comments

That's 'Andrews'.

> There were, in fact, successive "re-nationalizations" under Chavez,
> beginning with the first months of Chavez in power, when he stopped PDVSA
> acting as OPEC's biggest scab.
>
> However, this tell us ZERO, nothing, nada, zip, about nationalizations in
> the United States. Venezuela is a semicolonial country seeking to free
> itself from imperialist tutelage. The US is the big daddy of all the
> imperialist countries.

Well a bit more than zero I think.  I certainly don't want to make any
big deep comparisons between either PDVSA's 'nationalisation' ot
'renationalisation' and what might happen with US banks, or more
generally between third world and imperialist nationalisations.

Not being Venezuelan or American, I'm talking pretty abstractly based
on my impression of an old Labourist social democratic notion of
"nationalisation = socialism" prevalent here in .au.

My point really was not much more than to say with an illustration
that the nationalisations permanence or transience is not by itself
(i.e. outside the context of serious social movement with other
demands) isn't matter of great importance for the workers' movement.
The illustration was to point to an example of a capitalist class's
state property (the example being the pre-chavez PDVSA - when it was
formally state property and still scabbing on OPEC).  A better example
must exist, but it didn't spring into my mind.

What we might 'demand' for propaganda purposes is not _just_
nationalisation in the sense of turning private capitalist property
into state capitalist property.

I thought I was pretty much agreeing with your point.

  -AA.



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