Re: [Marxism] Tariq Ali the "pragmatist"

[Jeffrey Thomas Piercy <mqduck@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not disagreeing on the anti-Marxism of supporting the Democrats, but 
a rant about the need for purity in Marxism is just going to bore 
people. If you want to affect people's opinions, trying a different 
tactic is my advice or the only person you're talking to yourself.

yossi schwartz wrote:
> The first principle for the Marxists is independent of the working class
> from all bourgeois forces. This means in this presidential elections in the
> US:  It is unfortunate that there is no party or candidate that represent
> the working class and the oppressed in the US, however in light of this fact
> there is no one to vote for. All kind of pragmatists i.e. reformists and
> opportunists   have forgotten all about the goal-working class socialist
> revolution and have the same old position of  Edward Bernstein : "The goal
> is nothing, the movement is everything".
> 
> Those  on the left who call to vote for an imperialist candidate are simply
>  pro imperialists and in the case of  those who call to vote for Obama  as
> the less evil are in support of Zionism  the occupation of Iraq and
> sanctions against Iran.
> The rest of it are no more than empty words. They many not recognize the
> laws of history but this does not mean history does not recognize their
> types. They existed in the 1920's and the 1930'  in the shape of the 2!/2
> International and London Bureau and by now almost no one can remember them
> .They were  the  heirs of the French Possibilities of the  late 19th. Who
> participated in Waldeck-Russou government.

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