[Marxism] Letter to a Marxmail subscriber

["Charles Brown" <charlesb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

S. Artesian 

Right, and they got Nixon to end the Vietnam war in 1973 by dropping
more 
bomb tonnage on North Vietnam than had been dropped cumulatively to
that 
date.

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CB: The Democratic Congress voted to stop the war in Vietnam in 1973,
not to mention the Democratic Party nominated McGovern as a one-issue
stop the war candidate in 1972.  In other words, the anti-war social
movement took over the DP.

The comment about prior DP dropping enormous tonnage thereby an
illogical point on the issue here.

^^^^

Again, if you frame the issues as maintaining the status quo--

^^^^
CB: "You" here being a straw person

^^^^

 the US ruling 
class-- by claiming that the goal of the civil rights movement was 
legislative--

^^^^
CB: The leaders and masses of the Civil Rights Movement, not the ruling
class, "claimed" the goal of the movement as legislation. The ruling
class was against the Civil Rights Movement.

^^^^^

 a civil rights act, instead of social-- equality;

^^^^
CB: The term used by the Civil Rights Movement leaders and masses was
freedom, end Jim Crow. 

"Social equality" as a goal is an ultra-left projection onto the
movement.

^^^^

 if you 
insist that the war ended in 1973 because the Democrats sacrificed 
themselves at the altar of piece in 1972, then of course, go Democrat
and 
Democrats.

^^^
CB: Yeah, you were wrong on this last time discussed. Everybody knows
the US was running from its embassy roof in heliocopters in Saigon in
1973; and the Dem Congress voted to end the war in 1973.  Saigon was
liberated from the South Vietnamese in 1975.  And it was a sacrifice at
the altar of peace in 1972. McGovern was a one issue peace candidate and
got landslided by Nixon.

^^^^^

The facts, the social facts, are a bit different.  Equality has not
been 
achieved.  Not even close.

^^^^
CB: The goal of the Civil Rights Movement was not "social equality" .
It was to end Jim Crow.  Of course, ending Jim Crow was one hell of a
giant step toward social equality.

^^^^^

The war did not end even after the Christmas bombings, after the
January 
1973 accords..  The US withdrew but maintained supply and logistical
support 
to Ky and the ARVN.

^^^^
CB: This is ____ quibbling. The US combat troops  were out in 1973.
That's the crucial fact.






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