Re: [Marxism] The New Chinese Capitalism

[Lajany Otum <lajany_otum@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Shane Mage writes:

>
> Marxists have always written of the *historical* goals of any great  
> revolution, like the Chinese revolution.  Or the Great French  
> Revolution, even though, as a matter of historical fact, the storming  
> of the Bastille was organized by a conspiracy hatched in the Palais  
> Royale (the Paris quartier genÃrale of the King's cousin Philippe  
> d'OrlÃans, the future regicide Philippe ÃgalitÃ).  The subjective  
> ideological notions of those it brings to power are irrelevant.  Ever  
> hear of the List des Vernunfts?
>

What have you been smoking? Nobody has denied here that there may have been 
conspiracies to storm the Bastille, but this does not by any means make the 
French revolution itself a conspiracy. And have you not yet noticed the 
similarity between thes silly and superficial arguments and the bourgeois 
canard that the revolution of October 1917 was not a popular revolution but 
merely a putsch carried out by a conspiratorial Bolshevik clique? And the 
statement that "the subjective notions of those that bring it to power are 
irrelevant" is hardly consistent with your argument that the use of 
maoism/socialism by the Chinese revolutionaries was a mask for the "real" 
national chauvinist and capitalist ideology which (according to you) determined 
the course and outcome of the Chinese revolution.

Anyway, unfortunately since you're an self acknowleged conspiracy theorist, 
discussing this or anything much else with you is probably a waste of time. 
Lajany Otum



      
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