Re: [Marxism] Bolton: Israel 'will attack Iran' before new USpresident in office, especially if it's Obama

[Bill Quimby <wquimby@xxxxxxx>]

Oh Marvin, Marvin,

on the one hand the resolution

"authorize(d) the President to use the Armed Forces of the United States
as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" to enforce the UN resolutions

and on the other hand states

"nothing in this resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use 
of 
force
against Iran..........."

Don't you see the huge, gigantic loophole here? Don't you remember Powell lying
his balls off to the derision of the world, yet getting what Bush wanted?

- Bill

Marvin Gandall wrote:
> S. Artesian writes:
> 
>> Hmmh.... war plans are drawn up; a commanding military officer is
>> dismissed
>> from his position based on differences over US approach in the Gulf
>> theater
>> and  to Iran;  sanctions and further sanctions are endorsed against Iran,
>> including from countries that "dissented" from US invasion of Iraq,
>> everybody knows about Cheney...  and didn't the House just pass out
>> another
>> carte blanche to Bush?  and Marvin doesn't see any significant or obvious
>> support for an attack on Iran?
>>
>> Right.  Or.. did I imagine all of the above?
>>
>> And since when does "majority" mean anything either intra- or inter-
>> ruling
>> class?  I never said majority.  The ruling class doesn't care about
>> majority.  I said many.  And I should have qualified many by adding
>> significant, significance being a function of power, not numbers.
>>
>> You think neocons are marginalized?  You have got to be kidding.
> ================================
> OK, you've climbed down from claiming that "many of the forces of US capital
> favor an attack" to a "significant" part of the ruling class does. That's
> progress. So now how about naming some "significant" names and citing their
> statements to support what still appears to you to be "obvious" - that the
> US ruling class is hellbent on war. Who else besides Cheney do you have in
> mind?
> 
> The House motion on Iran, despicable as it is, doesn't "pass out another
> carte blanche to Bush". The resolution on Iraq "authorize(d) the President
> to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be
> necessary and appropriate" to enforce the UN resolutions. The Iran
> resolution self-conciously and pointedly states that "nothing in this
> resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use of force
> against Iran" and calls instead for Bush to impose additional economic and
> travel sanctions and to "initiate an international effort" to step up the
> "economic, political, and diplomatic pressure" , including, if necessary, by
> means of a naval blockade. The US has been imposing unilateral sanctions and
> making these pleas to its allies and the Security Council for years with
> only limited success. Rather than a corroboration of your view that the
> House resolution represents a "significant OR obvious (slippery move here)
> support for an attack on Iran", it appears to me to be another election year
> capitulation by the Democrats cowering from Republican attacks that they are
> "soft on terror".
> 
> You're not "imagining" the news reports you're hearing. You just naively
> take them at face value as preparations for war without considering the
> other possibility - that they might be sabre-rattling to pressure the
> Europeans, Russians and Chinese, who are acting as intermediaries, to turn
> up the heat on the Iranians. The Iranians, who are in a position to know,
> don't seem as certain as you are that this maneuvering is a harbinger of
> war. You also don't seem to appreciate that capitalists, when circumstances
> don't seem to be running in their favour, also operate on the principle of
> "two steps forward, one step  back".
> 
> 
> 
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