Re: [Marxism] Role of Socialists (was The Chinese occupation of Haiti)

["NÃstor Gorojovsky" <nmgoro@xxxxxxxxx>]

Accepting the real situation not only does not mean that we should
keep the Socialist Card hidden, it means that we must show that the
single true way to attack imperialism is by socialist means. Don't
know if this is clear. Kagarlitsky should show the Russians that he,
as a militant Marxist, can be the sturdiest and most truthworthy
anti-imperialist.

I will never never forget a wonderful phrase by Ho Chih Minh: "This
nation and socialism are one and the same thing".

2008/4/18, Pance Stojkovski <pance@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> --- NÃstor Gorojovsky wrote:
>
>  > THIS is what is at stake. Not socialist revolution.
>  Not
>  > at all: what is at stake is whether the imperialist
>  core
>  > of  bourgeois bandits will gain still another
>  century of
>  > unrivalled grip on global affairs or this grip will
>  find
>  > a clear and definite boundary spelling future death
>  to a
>  > system which, by definition, accepts no bounds to
>  its
>  > expansion.
>
>  > And this is where the creek of socialism may abandon
>  the
>  > caves, and well out to full sunshine again.
>
>  Thank you for the great article NÃstor. I've been
>  studying it carefully - and I agree with most of what
>  you say (the things I disagree with are not of great
>  consequence). But I think we have to keep the
>  "Socialism Card" near us so we can play it one of
>  these days - no?
>
>  And if we're serious about playing the Socialism card
>  - what do we say to the Chinese working class? Yes -
>  support your national state in its battle against US
>  Imperialism (you notice I stayed away from the
>  contentious labels) - but the day will come when the
>  Chinese working class will have to confront it's own
>  exploiters. Or maybe they can do both things at the
>  same time.
>
>  Before someone accuses me of dictating to others
>  half-way across the world - it seems to me this is the
>  same policy we pursue in Canada. We support the
>  national bourgeoisie in its fight for Canadian
>  sovereignty (although lately it seems the bourgeoisie
>  has given up that fight and completely allied itself
>  with Bush et al).
>
>  But, as you know, there are other issues beside
>  sovereignty - like that business of breaking the
>  chains of the wage-slave system.
>
>  A few days ago, Boris Kagarlitsky spoke about the
>  current situation in Russia -- video is available
>  here:
>  <http://www.socialistproject.ca/inthenews/kagarlitsky.html>
>
>  I think he said pretty much the same thing. To the
>  extent that Russia is battling US Imperialism, Russian
>  Marxists defend their own national state. Apparently,
>  they're even invited on state controlled media to
>  voice their opinions. But when it comes to other
>  working class issues - they're bitter rivals.
>
>  I changed the subject to "Role of Socialists". What do
>  other comrades think? What is the role of socialists
>  in advanced capitalist states? in formerly socialist
>  states? in under-developed (or developing) states?
>
>  Pance.
>
>
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