Re: [Marxism] DISILLUSIONED WITH MARXMAILers!

[Pat Costello <pt_costello@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello James! 

I agree with you about Marxmail. It is just a talk
club. I imagine that a few Marxmailers have not even
conversed with a working class person in years.
Personally, I just read it mostly for the information.

The people i know who are activists do not have the
time to write lengthy hairsplitting screeds on the
internet. Try not to take Marxmail too seriously.
There are many good, hardworking people on the
American left. They just generally do not post on
Marxmail. 

Best regards,

Pat Costello




--- james dwyer <jimthecelt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Frankly, I am disillusioned with Marxmail, although
> I won't un-subscribe as there are a few, a VERY few,
> respondents who are worth reading (Louis Proyect,
> Walter Lippmann, and a few others) and whose
> insights I value highly and agree with mostly.  
>   Most postings/messages seem to be nothing more
> then spam and ideological hairsplitting (the curse
> of the American Left), so typical of American
> Marxists, who'd rather trade insults and issue
> pointless screeds than get off of their rhetorical
> asses and penetrate the capitalist system and try to
> destroy it, as Leftists did in the 1930s, 40s, and
> 50s, when America had a true Left, and as a few of
> my friends are doing now.
>   It reminds me of college thirty years ago, where I
> saw so much energy wasted on overturning one
> another's leaflet tables, Trotskyites vs. Maoists
> vs. Leninists vs. whomever!  Meanwhile, capitalism's
> murder-machine munches and burps, and people here
> and abroad literally die.
>   I look at Turkey, my daughter's homeland, where,
> every May 1, Leftists take to the streets in
> Istanbul and Ankara to protest and are brutally
> beaten by the police, sometimes killed.  I can send
> you the YouTube videos (the Turks are fanatic
> YouTubers).  
>   American Marxists don't have that kind of courage.
>  They (we!) would rather send caustic e-mails and
> blast one another's supposed apostasy, the
> intellectual equivalent of Palestinian radicals who
> would rather indulge murderous rage against Israeli
> civilians than work to build alliances with the
> Israeli Left and working-class (although I am a
> strong supporter of their cause where it is
> congruent with socialism and simple humanity).
>   So tell me, fellow-Marxmailers:  Am I the only one
> who feels this way?!
> 
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