Re: [Marxism] What are the Greens, or waiting for the industrial proletarian Godot

[Bonnie Weinstein <giobon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I do agree with you, David, about a labor party. I never said it had to
declare itself socialist--just that it is really based upon the unions and
stands on the side of the workers against the bosses because that will
inevitably lead them to a socialist program.

--Bonnie


On 9/2/07 3:00 PM, "dave.walters@xxxxxxxxxxx" <dave.walters@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Mark, when you say that the Greens never supported Democrats...I have to ask
> what you mean 
> by "support". As far as I know, no Green organization ever sat down and
> stated/voted/decided "Lets
> call for a vote for the Democrats". No, they did the next best thing and voted
> NOT to contest 
> the Democrats in "close elections". Green Party organizations engaged in vote
> swapping. The "Demo-
> Green" split inside the GP organization(s) was *exactly* over supporting the
> Democrats. Green candidates as representatives of the GP would get up and make
> all sorts of pleas to "get rid of Bush". You  know this because you were
> involved in fighting this!
> 
> So it's malarky that the Greens "never supported the Democrats". Their whole
> national orientation
> in 2004 was over just that and how to feel good about themselves doing it.
> Read the quote from M.
> Bemjamin who played a role of  "Greens supporting Democrats". She did it with
> flying colors.
> 
> I would agree with Bonnie about Nader. I thought he made more backhanded
> remarks about "Getting
> the Democrats back on track" the first time around, when he was officially a
> Green Party candidate.
> It brought some boos at the Mission High School meeting I attended in 2000.
> 
> I would disagree wtih Bonnie about her assertion that one can only endorse
> Socialists or criticizing a
> party that wasn't socialist: the idea the SWP fought for for decades (or,
> properly put: the idea
> they supported) was for a Labor Party based on the unions. That was the key
> issue, not that it
> have a socialist program, although they stated they would fight for one.
> 
> David
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