Re: [Marxism] On the Democratic Party question

[Benjamin Morgan <foreverblaze89@xxxxxxxxx>]

Comrade Ben:          It is sad to see how we can argue for a week about the 
democrats but nobody post any thing about my proposal for a new international. 
In short supporting the democratic party is at best a progressive (baby)step 
towards some form of twisted social democracy. Blacks turned to the democrats 
after the collapse of the black power movement only cause they advocated for 
the welfare state. What quantitative gains did it yeild? A decade of gov 
dependence followed by three of degradation. Due to the parties tacit 
acceptance of the econmic order every tactical step foward will be pushed three 
steps back.                         Ben

Mark Lause wrote: 
> I'll just make one reply on this.  Joaquin's tracing of objections by list
> members to voting Democratic to Trot training is...and I used many other
> words in earlier drafts of this line...mistaken.
> Many of us were radical critics of the Democratic Party BEFORE joining any
> Trotskyist organization.  I always presumed that others joining the SWP
> already opposed the Democrats and weren't going to be shifting a position
> simply because they joined a group....
> Oh, silly me!
> Even if someone digging in the Marx archives would find his Horatio Seymour
> white supremacy button from the 1868 election, it would not in the least
> make me rethink in the least my opposition to the Democratic Party.
> Though I would worry a bit about poor Karl's judgements....
> ML
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