Re: [Marxism] The criticism of religion [was: RE: Vnzla:reasons tobe optimistic]

["howard beeth" <beeth.howard@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Joaquin seems to be arguing that when it comes to progress, part of a loaf is 
worse than no loaf--if the progress comes as a result of voluntarist reformism 
that substitutes for revolution-making and gives the surface appearance of 
improvement while actually strengthening the capitalist system--and that such 
reformistism also weakens  revolution-making by providing an illusory 
alternative to it. Hence, Joaquin appears to be arguing that voluntarist 
reformism is doubly bad by strengthening capitalism and weakening 
revolution-making--a feel-good activity that is worth less than doing nothing 
at all. Hmmm. 









 --- On Sat 08/25, Alan Bradley < alanb1000@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:

From: Alan Bradley [mailto: alanb1000@xxxxxxxxx]

To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:07:07 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: [Marxism] The criticism of religion [was: RE: Vnzla:reasons        
tobe optimistic]



From: "Joaquin Bustelo" <br>> My point is really not complicated. 
Struggling<br>> hard is useless or worse if you have no clue as<br>> to what 
you are doing. <br>...<br>> Now look at, for example, the last 
half-century<br>> of so of "struggling" on the American Left, and<br>> judging 
by the results, do you have a warm and<br>> fuzzy feeling about all the 
progress that has<br>> been made?<br><br>So, the US Left shouldn't have 
bothered? Would the<br>world have been a better place if they hadn't? Or 
were<br>they *completely and utterly* ineffectual? Did they do<br>nothing that 
justified their existence?<br><br>You would be making a pretty hardline 
argument if you<br>answered "yes" to any of those questions.<br><br>Of course 
the US Left hasn't made much progress in<br>that time, and that isn't 
satisfactory. But you seem<br>to be going beyond that...<br><br>Alan 
Bradley<br><br><br>       
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