Re: [Marxism] The ISO in Zimbabwe

[glparramatta <glparramatta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And perhaps Louis has forgetten that he just asserted this: ``In order 
to defeat Mugabe, it will be necessary to form a broad socialist 
movement that doesn't impose a litmus test on "state capitalism". It is 
okay to insist on brand loyalty in a place like Great Britain, where 
sectarianism is part of the insular soul of the nation, but utterly 
foolish in a place like Zimbabwe where there is a mass, militant working 
class movement desperate to transcend an opportunist MDC and a thuggish 
"leftist" government. ''

On what FACTS of the ISOZ's practice and politics is this assertion 
based? What SPECIFIC ``party-building schemas'' of the ISOZ are you 
referring to and what EVIDENCE have you that it does not work in their 
situation?

The reason you have been going in circles with the ``stubborn comrades'' 
around the world who continue to insist that socialists must 
democratically organise themselves to engage in political activity, 
including the DSP, is that you base your accusations of ``Zinovievism'' 
etc. on abstract assertions of how you think things are (no doubt based 
on your negative experiences of the US SWP, which incidently have also 
shaped how the DSP organises today) rather than attempting to find out 
the actual practice and politics and results of the comrades involved.

Norm.

Louis Proyect wrote:

> Perhaps Norm forgot that I referred to them in my very post on this 
> topic as a *political* alternative to the MDC and the Mugabe government:
>
> ===
>
> I imagine that Norm has difficulties understanding my sympathy for the 
> overall political stance of the ISO-Z, but my refusal to accept their 
> party-building schemas. I have gone around in circles with him and the 
> DSP comrades over the same exact issues for about 10 years now. Thank 
> goodness I have patience for stubborn comrades.


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